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Old 08-03-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Spain
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There are very few intersections in the City of Los Angeles that you are not more than 1000 feet from graffiti. That means just about everyone sees it at least once a day.
Graffiti does not define a third world country, you need to get out some and see the world if you maintain this belief.

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Millions of illegal aliens with no high school education are cramming into tiny apartments and working for peanuts. They're having kids who are bringing our school systems down and they're consuming health care resources and criminal justice resources. This strains our economy and lowers the standard of living for everyone. With them comes a low functioning non-assimilating culture. Los Angeles was not like this in the 1950s and 1960s.
So being third world is about immigrants not assimilating? Honduras doesn't have many immigrants rolling in refusing to assimilate, does that mean they are first world? Germany has massive immigration that riles folks up on non-assimilation, they've got a ****-ton of graffiti too does that mean Germany is a third world country?

Show me some stats to back up battle cry of swirling down the toilet. Where does California's education system rank compared to other states? Where does it's standard of living compare?

Here is your third world country sinking into the abyss:

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Old 08-03-2019, 03:32 PM
 
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We as a state do need to more to encourage more Latinos into higher education.
I disagree. It isn't my or the state's responsibility to do ANYTHING for Latinos.
  • They know they're not supposed to ditch school.
  • They know they're supposed to study.
  • They know they're supposed to wait to get married before having kids.
  • They know they're supposed to be AT LEAST out of high school before they get pregnant.
  • They know they're not supposed to spray graffiti.
  • They know they're not supposed to have such an elevated crime rate.
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Old 08-03-2019, 03:35 PM
 
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Graffiti does not define a third world country, you need to get out some and see the world if you maintain this belief.


So being third world is about immigrants not assimilating? Honduras doesn't have many immigrants rolling in refusing to assimilate, does that mean they are first world? Germany has massive immigration that riles folks up on non-assimilation, they've got a ****-ton of graffiti too does that mean Germany is a third world country?

Show me some stats to back up battle cry of swirling down the toilet. Where does California's education system rank compared to other states? Where does it's standard of living compare?

Here is your third world country sinking into the abyss:

OK, I'll concede that the utter failure of 80% of LAUSD and the citizens in general of Los Angeles doesn't constitute a third world jungle.
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Old 08-03-2019, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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The Bay Area was a wonderful place to live in the 80s. The rents didn't start taking off for the stratosphere until the late 80s (I remember being quoted $450 a month for a small house and yard and that was too much, but I found another house and yard to rent for $330 a month). Before rents took off, you could work a regular wage job and afford rent. Houses weren't that expensive for the salaries yet. PGE rates were going up though, so much that some people were paying more per month for their PGE bill than for their monthly mortgage. My PGE bill in the 80s never went over $30 a month, though, even in winter.

Gas was just starting to go up - I think I paid over a dollar a gallon sometime in the early 80s. The big tech companies hadn't reached such a huge position of influence as they did a few years later. The gangs weren't as bad or as vicious or nearly as prevalent as they would become. Homelessness was just starting to be talked about. Not too many people had heard of AIDS yet. Traffic was bad, but if you knew when and where the backups were, you could avoid them.

California state universities were free until about the mid 80s and the community colleges were free until the early 90s I don't recall how bad the drug problem was in the 80s and I'm not sure how the job situation was either, as I was employed by the same business from the mid 70s to the late 80s.
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Old 08-03-2019, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Surely aerospace was not the only determining factor into the states decline. After all, CA still has an economy what would amount to the worlds 5th largest if it was an independent nation; yet they are literally broke.
No, they are not "literally", or "figuratively" broke. The state is doing quite well.

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/11/1...ting-agencies/
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Old 08-03-2019, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I disagree. It isn't my or the state's responsibility to do ANYTHING for Latinos.
  • They know they're not supposed to ditch school.
  • They know they're supposed to study.
  • They know they're supposed to wait to get married before having kids.
  • They know they're supposed to be AT LEAST out of high school before they get pregnant.
  • They know they're not supposed to spray graffiti.
  • They know they're not supposed to have such an elevated crime rate.
And what makes you think that they do any of the things on your list more frequently than any other ethnic group, or do you just "know it"
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Old 08-03-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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And what makes you think that they do any of the things on your list more frequently than any other ethnic group, or do you just "know it"
I know it.

Income and Wealth
Per capita income of Hispanics is one half that of non-Hispanic whites, and household net worth is less than one tenth.
Fifty percent of Hispanic households use some form of welfare, the highest rate of any major population group.
Crime
Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.
Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs.
In 2013, A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
Education
Hispanics drop out of high school at three times the white rate and twice the black rate.
Even third-generation Hispanics drop out of school at a higher rate than blacks and are less likely to be college graduates.
From 1992 to 2003, Hispanic illiteracy in English rose from 35 percent to 44 percent.
Today, the average Hispanic 12th-grader reads and does math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.
Families and Health
At 43 percent, the Hispanic illegitimacy rate is twice the white rate, and Hispanic women have abortions at 2.7 times the white rate.
Hispanics are three times more likely than whites not to have medical insurance, and die from AIDS and tuberculosis at three times the white rate.
In California, the cost of free medical care for illegal aliens forced 60 hospitals to close between 1993 and 2003.
Attitudes
Only 33 percent of citizens of Hispanic origin consider themselves “Americans†first. The rest consider themselves either “Hispanic/Latino†or their former nationality first.

Sources:
https://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/09/...n-u-s-latinos/
http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=105
https://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/04/...ustice-system/
https://vdare.com/posts/why-does-the...s-go-unnoticed
https://www.nationalreview.com/magaz...c7cfb-45119669
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/04/...s-on-the-rise/
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/#1
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/quarterly/
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d04/

Next question?
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Old 08-03-2019, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by SoCal_Native View Post
I know it.

Income and Wealth
Per capita income of Hispanics is one half that of non-Hispanic whites, and household net worth is less than one tenth.
Fifty percent of Hispanic households use some form of welfare, the highest rate of any major population group.
Crime
Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.
Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs.
In 2013, A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
Education
Hispanics drop out of high school at three times the white rate and twice the black rate.
Even third-generation Hispanics drop out of school at a higher rate than blacks and are less likely to be college graduates.
From 1992 to 2003, Hispanic illiteracy in English rose from 35 percent to 44 percent.
Today, the average Hispanic 12th-grader reads and does math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.
Families and Health
At 43 percent, the Hispanic illegitimacy rate is twice the white rate, and Hispanic women have abortions at 2.7 times the white rate.
Hispanics are three times more likely than whites not to have medical insurance, and die from AIDS and tuberculosis at three times the white rate.
In California, the cost of free medical care for illegal aliens forced 60 hospitals to close between 1993 and 2003.
Attitudes
Only 33 percent of citizens of Hispanic origin consider themselves “Americans” first. The rest consider themselves either “Hispanic/Latino” or their former nationality first.

Sources:
https://www.pewhispanic.org/2017/09/...n-u-s-latinos/
http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=105
https://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/04/...ustice-system/
https://vdare.com/posts/why-does-the...s-go-unnoticed
https://www.nationalreview.com/magaz...c7cfb-45119669
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/04/...s-on-the-rise/
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/#1
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/quarterly/
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d04/

Next question?
Ok, here goes. Why did you need to rely upon data from 2004 and from "Vdare" and the "National Review".? I'm not going to try to sort through all of your sources but most of it was 'cherry picked', taken out of context, from old sources or not attributed at all. i.e. the claim that 60 hospitals closed because of illegals, that was a cut and paste from fairus which did not appear on your list of references. Not to mention your responses had nothing to do with most of your claims.
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Old 08-03-2019, 05:21 PM
 
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yeah, why did you need to rely upon data from 2004 and from "Vdare" and the "National Review".? I'm not going to try to sort through all of your sources but most of it was 'cherry picked', taken out of context, from old sources or not attributed at all. i.e. the claim that 60 hospitals closed because of illegals, that was a cut and paste from fairus
You know and I know that everything I wrote is either true or very, very close (maybe a bit outdated) to true.
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Old 08-03-2019, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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You know and I know that everything I wrote is either true or very, very close (maybe a bit outdated) to true.
lol sure thing
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