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Is the American work “ethic” dying? I certainly hope so.
Obedience to the bosses in exchange for our time has never benefited the workers.
Demands for “more!” and “faster!” are not in the workers” interests, unless everyone is paid the same, and there’s profit-sharing.
Bosses’ hand-wringing about their inability to find workers means that soon MANAGEMENT will have to empty the trash cans, staff the deep fryer, run off copies, and do the oil changes. What a welcome change that will be; lord knows they’re not doing any real work as it is.
Honestly, the whole “management isn’t doing real work” trope just shows how little you know about value and business.
My question is how are those who are following the Van Life living on You Tube video income going to pay for their retirement? Some are doing well with thousands of followers but how about those who are just scraping by? I read on several of my FB groups concerning living on the road about women especially who are either widowed or divorced who buy an older Class C RV and follow their dreams. Will it turn into an old age nightmare?
Is the American work “ethic” dying? I certainly hope so.
Obedience to the bosses in exchange for our time has never benefited the workers.
Demands for “more!” and “faster!” are not in the workers” interests, unless everyone is paid the same, and there’s profit-sharing.
Bosses’ hand-wringing about their inability to find workers means that soon MANAGEMENT will have to empty the trash cans, staff the deep fryer, run off copies, and do the oil changes. What a welcome change that will be; lord knows they’re not doing any real work as it is.
And yet for all this "socialist" morality, the burden of socialist taxation and its resultant inflation has caused more misery than any purported evil by management.
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Case in point. . . Way back before electric lights and night games, PROFESSIONAL SPORTS played during WORK HOURS were attended by large crowds. They were NOT all mega rich but Joe Workers, who sat on wooden bleachers, and enjoyed an afternoon off.
OMG - today? You can blow a week's pay on admission, parking, and food.
OH, but it's all the fault of GREEDY management.
Yeah, right.
Government had nothing to do with inflation and its covert tax increase. "Everybody" loves "more money" but no one pays attention to its debauchery by gubmint.
Back in 1900, a dollar was a good day's wage. And it bought far more than a dollar bill buys today. On the order of 150 to 200 times as much. Coincidentally, the amount taken in taxes was less than 1%. Today, aggregate taxes take 39% - 44% (depending on the state).
So keep telling yourself that "greedy capitalists" are the ones gutting you and leaving you out in the sun. Don't hold the socialists in government responsible.
Of course it's dying. Dying is the natural result of something trying to murder it, and governmental policies recently are definitely killing any incentive to work.
Of course it's dying. Dying is the natural result of something trying to murder it, and governmental policies recently are definitely killing any incentive to work.
There has been a dying work ethic the last 10-15 years. The governmental policies the last few years haven't helped matters but the span goes back longer than just lately.
I’d agree that it’s almost less an issue of age and more an issue of simply where people are in life financially and generally with their ambition.
However, some of the best and smartest workers are the highest people so a long career certainly isn’t an indication of coasting always.
I will say it’s so easy to look at departments I’ve been in and you can pick the 5 or 6 people that would blow a hole in the team if they left and you can easily pick out those who are either bad or coasting and you could cut them without skipping a beat. In some cases, it’s honestly addition by subtraction. It normally took me about 6 months of seeing meetings and such to see who actually mattered.
However, people just get protected in these monster corporations for years upon years until there’s layoff purges.
I know it was an eye opening experience to me. I thought in college if you worked for blue chips you’d be working with highly skilled and competent people. The fact is, it’s about 20% superstars and a bunch of cogs who are nothing special. And there’s actually shocking amounts of below average people who shouldn’t even be there.
As I got older, I did become more open to the idea that sometimes you need the coasters and people to just fill roles, however, but it used to really bother me earlier on. It’s kind of like the linemen in football just going about their role.
I'm sure they're the ones thinking the company would be lost without them lol
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Originally Posted by jasperhobbs
There has been a dying work ethic the last 10-15 years. The governmental policies the last few years haven't helped matters but the span goes back longer than just lately.
Agree Jasper, it's nothing new. Look at the unemployment section, complaining about minimum wage needs to go higher
Here’s an observation I agree with:
“I don’t get the argument that employers can’t afford to pay $15/hour. That’s the value of labor. If I can’t afford a Porsche, then I can’t buy a Porsche. I don’t get to demand a discount on Porsches. If a business can’t afford labor, that’s on the business, not the labor market.”
Here’s an observation I agree with:
“I don’t get the argument that employers can’t afford to pay $15/hour. That’s the value of labor. If I can’t afford a Porsche, then I can’t buy a Porsche. I don’t get to demand a discount on Porsches. If a business can’t afford labor, that’s on the business, not the labor market.”
Just so long as you realize that means some industries cannot operate in a country with such labor demands. There once was a tremendous textile industry in the South for example.
People don't understand that not all industries have margins sufficient to absorb large labor price increases. When people demand more money than the position generates, businesses can either move to another market, or invest in automation. If they can't do either of those, they simply close.
Regardless of what is chosen, a textile industry company will never have the margins of say Google. However, if prices were to go up significantly, then they could. If you're willing to pay $100 for each pair of pants, those jobs could be at higher rates here in America. You could have $300 shoes and perhaps Nike would make things in the US. The quality would be better as the workforce attracted would be better and better paid....it seems simple enough, but I guess that's why all of France can't go around decked out in Louis Vuitton.
If you buy clothing at say Wal-Mart....then you're not supporting a living US wage.
My question is how are those who are following the Van Life living on You Tube video income going to pay for their retirement? Some are doing well with thousands of followers but how about those who are just scraping by? I read on several of my FB groups concerning living on the road about women especially who are either widowed or divorced who buy an older Class C RV and follow their dreams. Will it turn into an old age nightmare?
Can this question, as asked, really be answered ? I can't read minds and I don't have a crystal ball.
Certainly some will fall thru the cracks who go for the Van Life, but won't those who stay in the sticks and bricks be vulnerable to the same fate ? The point being that those in the sticks and bricks may have equity
in their home but they will have a lot of appending cost to be there. Taxes, Insurance, Utilities, up keep, etc where if they are suddenly widowed or unemployed (due to their age or some other liability perceived by "the company") where the cost mentioned would bleed her away from what financial assets she has. So, they choose a life on the road in an RV where they may not travel but a couple times a year to live in a more comfortable climate.
Many of these people are working "gig" jobs (short term temp's) or are working online from their rigs.
If you (or anyone) would like to know more about it you could check out Bob Wells, Cheap RV Living's Forum and see how they do it and stay informed as to how to successfully live on the road.
As for just scraping by, those who are mobile can move to a better more lucrative environment where those who are landed in a poor area won't have nearly as good of chances of improving their lot in life.
As for old age and infirmity without family, friends, or even a plan, again....who can answer. Some will fall thru the cracks. Others will purchase insurance that would pay for their nursing home care. 2 1/2 years in a home is usually all they will average before they pass away. They may have a plan for their internment or cremation. Some will donate their body to Medical Universities where they will pay for the disposal when they are finished with them. I know of one wealthy Lawyer who did this exact same thing. (he figured it would add another $15,000 of value to his estate to provide for his trust & family)
The full time RV life isn't for everyone. But being free to be mobile and see the USA may appeal to some more than being stuck in a house or apartment counting time until life is over. A lot of these women join and travel in women's caravans too so they aren't alone. (where otherwise they may feel like a forgotten widow or aging female who doesn't fit into conventional society)
If you don't have a good work ethic, then you won't get a good job or make a lot of money.
You reap what you sow.
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