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Old 04-10-2008, 08:38 AM
 
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I agree with just about everything that Bob and Livecontent said in their most recent posts. Livecontent, I admire your living philosophy--you understand "thrift." Unfortunately, your lifestyle is anathema to most modern Americans, despite the fact that it is how most of their parents and grandparents lived while they built the most powerful country on the planet. Those people scrimped, saved, and sacrificed to make this country great. Current Americans' thanks to them for that is to p*** away the country's real wealth as fast as possible. Well, that's gratitude for ya.

As to Bob's comment about "capitalism," I agree with his assessment there, too. The Sherman Anti-trust Act hasn't been enforced in at least 20 years now, and the country is worse for it. What we have in America today is a lot closer to the fascist-socialist model practiced by the German Nazis, where a powerful central government is allied with equally large private corporations. In Nazi Germany before and during WWII, some of those big companies included such names as Farben (made the poison gas used in the concentration camps, among a lot of other things) Daimler (Mercedes-Benz), and Bayer, just to name a few. Japan practiced a similar model--one of those companies that survived the war is Mitsubishi (they made the Japanese "Zero" fighter that killed lots of Americans, among other things). Today's US government is equally entangled with super-large major corporations. Oh yeah, I'll remind everyone that Germany's Nazis gave us the Autobahn, the model for today's socialized energy-devouring American Interstate Highway system (as well as Hitler's personally commissioned "car for the people," the "Volkswagen"). Think about whose idea you're driving on the next time you're pounding your way up I-70.

 
Old 04-10-2008, 10:36 AM
 
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well this journey down sentimental lane has been quaint, but it's still emotional fear mongering at worst and antecodotal at best. i really love a good yarn spun around the good ole days of the weimar republic and "the" depression. it's not about whether i "need" something, it's about if i want something and have the means to get it. if i want and have the means to build a 10,000 sq ft structure off-grid, then i'm going to do it. if you want to live like spam in a can in an urban pressure cooker, then knock yourselves out. if i want and have the means to drive a expedition el, hummer, or vintage corvette, then i'm going to do it. if you want to drive a hybrid plastic shoebox with wheels, then knock yourselves out. i'm going to consume at a rate as i best see fit. what are you going to do to stop me? not a damn thing as long as i have the means to do it. after all, i earned my income the hard way and i'll spend and invest it as i best see fit, consumption and financial police notwithstanding...this is still a free america, isn't it?
 
Old 04-10-2008, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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it's not about whether i "need" something, it's about if i want something and have the means to get it.

if i want and have the means to build a 10,000 sq ft structure off-grid, then i'm going to do it.

if i want and have the means to drive a expedition el, hummer, or vintage corvette, then i'm going to do it.

i'm going to consume at a rate as i best see fit. what are you going to do to stop me? not a damn thing as long as i have the means to do it. after all, i earned my income the hard way and i'll spend and invest it as i best see fit, consumption and financial police notwithstanding...this is still a free america, isn't it?
No better justification for a massive increase in energy excise taxes has ever been spoken.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 12:21 PM
 
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No better justification for a massive increase in energy excise taxes has ever been spoken.
I was thinking consumption tax.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 12:37 PM
 
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An energy tax will trickle down and encourage efficient behavior by decreasing the tax burden and costs associated with it.

A strict consumption tax doesn't discourage wasteful behavior.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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We got it all backwards in the USA ( and probably in most other countries too). The MORE resources a consumer consumes, the less it costs per unit measure. Let us reverse that philosophy and INCREASE the cost per unit measure as resource consumption rises. If somone wants to consume more than their fair share, they can do so, but TAX the living daylights out of them beyond a certain point. Being able to afford something is a poor excuse for overconsumption.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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well this journey down sentimental lane has been quaint, but it's still emotional fear mongering at worst and antecodotal at best. i really love a good yarn spun around the good ole days of the weimar republic and "the" depression. it's not about whether i "need" something, it's about if i want something and have the means to get it. if i want and have the means to build a 10,000 sq ft structure off-grid, then i'm going to do it. if you want to live like spam in a can in an urban pressure cooker, then knock yourselves out. if i want and have the means to drive a expedition el, hummer, or vintage corvette, then i'm going to do it. if you want to drive a hybrid plastic shoebox with wheels, then knock yourselves out. i'm going to consume at a rate as i best see fit. what are you going to do to stop me? not a damn thing as long as i have the means to do it. after all, i earned my income the hard way and i'll spend and invest it as i best see fit, consumption and financial police notwithstanding...this is still a free america, isn't it?
Plain SELFISH. A very unadmirable quality in any civilized society. 'nuff said.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 05:45 PM
 
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wow. it is so depressing when individual rights are misconstrued as the right to take, use, use without any social responsibility (NOT socialism). I am a huge proponent of individual rights as long as they do not infringe on another's rights. I (with asthma) should not be subjected to SUV exhaust without regard for my right to clean air on a public sidewalk.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 07:33 PM
 
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A friendly reminder, the topic of this thread is

Real Estate Market/ Inflation/ Recession/ Depression - Colorado

Please stay on topic. If you want to discuss politics, I suggest you head on over to this forum Politics and Other Controversies Forum - Relocation, Moving, Local City Discussions - City-Data Forum

This is the last warning - the thread will be closed permanently if the discussion can not stay civil.

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Old 04-10-2008, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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So what kind of things can I grow in a Colorado Springs Depression Garden?

I know tomatoes grow almost anywhere. What other kinds of food grow well in the dry climate and mountain soil there? A lot of the semi-rural properties have well permits that would allow a quarter-acre garden to be watered with well water.
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