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Old 07-20-2010, 04:56 AM
 
Location: On a Slow-Sinking Granite Rock Up North
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I knew some jackholes who cheated because of the insanely competitive atmosphere in school. Let them run around with no self-respect...they are the ones who will never learn and will probably go around in life thinking they are good people and 'everyone does it.' Sick.
Meh. They're just training for a job on Wall Street or maybe they'll start up a fun Energy Corporation with cooked books or some such thing.
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Old 07-20-2010, 06:16 AM
 
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I would either pass or fail .I would not cheat just to get a degree.
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Old 07-20-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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It's not just your perception, according to an NPR story, cheating is on the rise: Cheating In College Is Widespread -- But Why? : NPR.

By the way, you have cheated since the third grade by taking your friend's exam for her.

Though many will argue that cheating does not have long-term consequences, I would argue that it does. I doubt the capacity of someone who can't own up to his or her own failures early in life to be able to be truthful later when the consequences are greater. I think that academic cheating is a barometer of our culture's willingness to lie when it comes to corporate responsibility, romantic relationships, personal financial responsibility, and even paternity.
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Old 07-20-2010, 07:23 PM
 
Location: California
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I used to hold a real high moral ground on cheating until I found reason to "cheat" in my life and heard the stories of others. Not as a regular thing mind you, but using my friend as an example she copied answers off the boy sitting next to her when taking a Spanish final in high school. Not having a head for the language she said she would have failed the class and wouldn't have been able to go to college without it. I suppose her alternative was to not cheat, fail and put a bunch of effort into passing a Spanish class before going to university later on, but she went right away and got a degree and worked 30 years in her field without doing that. I swear, I just can't work up an outrage over it. Especially knowing how life in the real world works.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:48 PM
 
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I have friends in college that cheat on their homework. They call it "helping" but really, they're just copying each other's answer off. Exams? They won't go near it. I thought to myself, wow. I could not find myself cheating in college. High school? plenty of times in freshmen and sophomore year. I guess I finally realize that if I don't want to cheater in college, then I better learn to change and I did. During my junior and senior year in HS, I started to cheat less and less. By the time I was a freshmen in college? I didn't even want to go there. I rather fail than cheat and pass. I would feel like I didn't learn anything.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:29 AM
 
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Eventually it will catch up to them. It might not be until a job interview, but when they are asked a technical question that was assumed they actually learned in college and they sit there looking like an idiot, they will finally get what is coming to them.

Everything catches up to dishonest people at some point. Unfortunately for us, it sometimes takes years before that happens.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:30 AM
 
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I used to hold a real high moral ground on cheating until I found reason to "cheat" in my life and heard the stories of others. Not as a regular thing mind you, but using my friend as an example she copied answers off the boy sitting next to her when taking a Spanish final in high school. Not having a head for the language she said she would have failed the class and wouldn't have been able to go to college without it. I suppose her alternative was to not cheat, fail and put a bunch of effort into passing a Spanish class before going to university later on, but she went right away and got a degree and worked 30 years in her field without doing that. I swear, I just can't work up an outrage over it. Especially knowing how life in the real world works.
So what, everyone else does it, so cheating is OK?

This attitude makes me sad to be human.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:32 PM
 
Location: California
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So what, everyone else does it, so cheating is OK?

This attitude makes me sad to be human.
Then you must hate life because even outside of a school envoronment and in every single facet you will find cheating, lying, backstabbing, etc.

And sometimes, yes, I think it's, if not OK, at least not worth getting worked up about. I won't go into detail but just know this...you have lied.Everyone has. Deal with your own guilt.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:43 PM
 
Location: TX
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I attended high school at an extremely competitive public high school in suburban Houston that has a large Asian population that takes education ultra-seriously. This HS I attended is very well-known within the Houston area and is constantly regarded as being in the "top 5" locally. It's also ranked by Texas Monthly and USNWR. It's Clements High School in Sugar Land, TX.

I have constant memories when people (usually but not always, girls) would have their letter jackets in their lap to hide their tucked-away cheat sheets. It happened all the time.

Cheating was extremely rampant (and I mean rampant) among many of the students, especially those at the top end of the class ranking. I have no doubt in my mind that it's still like that. The pressure many students face from their families to gain admission to top-tier universities is absolutely tremendous.



However, in my experience in college, I've encountered much less cheating. There doesn't seem to be the same amount of pressure where I'm at.

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Old 07-22-2010, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Think about this..... Would you rather know yourself to be an honest person, or one who cheats?

Would you trust a person that you know to be a cheater?

And, most importantly, if a person cheats at one thing, will that make it easier to cheat in other ways?
+1 for this response. It is exactly what I was thinking. Once someone starts cheating at the 'small' stuff, they end up an Enron exec. or some such thing. Be proud that you have some character.
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