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Old 06-12-2014, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Very nice post AMSS. I just want to comment on one thing you said.



For those of you who believe this ruling is "about the students" and "about improving schools," go ahead and read this one more time. You have been deceived. This is not about students, this is not about education, this is about A FEW PEOPLE doing what is in THEIR OWN BEST INTEREST to ultimately MAKE MORE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES.
The best interest of the kids? Like that happens now? You are from Chicago so maybe you heard of this. A district in the Chicago area recently had a graduation dance. They advertised the dance and the flyer had the word "are" printed where "our" should have been. This is for a high school graduating class. Tell me how allowing something like that is for the students?
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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The entire system revolves around CC now which includes teacher evaluations.
That is a state system which utilizes common core as a standard. Common Core is defined as:

State education chiefs and governors in 48 states came together to develop the Common Core, a set of clear college- and career-ready standards for kindergarten through 12th grade in English language arts/literacy and mathematics. Today, 43 states have voluntarily adopted and are working to implement the standards, which are designed to ensure that students graduating from high school are prepared to take credit bearing introductory courses in two- or four-year college programs or enter the workforce.
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:19 PM
 
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The best interest of the kids? Like that happens now? You are from Chicago so maybe you heard of this. A district in the Chicago area recently had a graduation dance. They advertised the dance and the flyer had the word "are" printed where "our" should have been. This is for a high school graduating class. Tell me how allowing something like that is for the students?
You read Infowars...should have guessed. Did you also notice the per capita income in that high school area is about $12,000?

The performance in school correlates best with the demographics of the students. That is what we are talking about fixing...
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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And then there was the Rigoberto Ruelas case.
Just read about that on HuffPo, and there is no indication that his suicide was related to getting or not getting tenure. He got a "less effective" rating in the LA Times, when only 5 of 35 teachers at his school scored as high as "average". Sounds like he took the rating too personally and shouldn't have committed suicide over it. Or maybe there were other things going on in his life that are not public knowledge.
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:34 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Here's what I've seen in 30 years teaching (as a side note, with the changes I'm glad I'm going in two years):

Female teachers intensely supervised, and eventually transferred because they won't go out with an administrator.

Female teachers non-renewed because the (female) administrators didn't like the teachers' shoes. This was three different teachers.

An experienced AP Calculus teacher, with 80% of his students scoring a 3 or better on the AP exams, given a full schedule of the worst behaving, least productive, repeater students in the school and then observed on a daily basis. His offense? He had the audacity to marry a woman 30 years his junior after his first wife died. He ended up transferring.

An experienced AP Lit teacher, again with a scoring of 80% 3 or better, observed on a daily basis in order to make him retire.

Teachers told that their depth of subject knowledge isn't necessary to teach their subject and to not impart that knowledge to the students.

If an administrator wants to get rid of a teacher it can be done. The reality is that with intense observation the very best teacher can be made to look like a fool by an administrator with selective recording of observations.

So tell me again how tenure is bad.
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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The best interest of the kids? Like that happens now? You are from Chicago so maybe you heard of this. A district in the Chicago area recently had a graduation dance. They advertised the dance and the flyer had the word "are" printed where "our" should have been. This is for a high school graduating class. Tell me how allowing something like that is for the students?
I'm not sure the point you're trying to make here. Are you taking one example of a grammar mistake on a dance flyer, and using that isolated incident to insinuate that all teaching/teachers are bad now?
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That is a state system which utilizes common core as a standard. Common Core is defined as:

State education chiefs and governors in 48 states came together to develop the Common Core, a set of clear college- and career-ready standards for kindergarten through 12th grade in English language arts/literacy and mathematics. Today, 43 states have voluntarily adopted and are working to implement the standards, which are designed to ensure that students graduating from high school are prepared to take credit bearing introductory courses in two- or four-year college programs or enter the workforce.
Wrong..the governors were brought on board after common core was done.
Achieve Inc. wrote the standards backed by $150 million from the Gates Foundation back in 2007.
Government was brought on board in 2009. And neither of those groups have any authorship authority.

RTT funding and the NCLB mandate of 100% passing was what "voluntarily" made states move over.
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Old 06-12-2014, 04:27 PM
 
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The best interest of the kids? Like that happens now? You are from Chicago so maybe you heard of this. A district in the Chicago area recently had a graduation dance. They advertised the dance and the flyer had the word "are" printed where "our" should have been. This is for a high school graduating class. Tell me how allowing something like that is for the students?
How is that an indication of anything about education? Misprints happen because someone did not proofread the copy before it went to the printer.
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Old 06-12-2014, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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You read Infowars...should have guessed. Did you also notice the per capita income in that high school area is about $12,000?

The performance in school correlates best with the demographics of the students. That is what we are talking about fixing...
You don't think that graduating seniors should know better? Who cares how much the per capita income is. Those kids did go to school and were allowed to graduate. Amazing.
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Old 06-12-2014, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Most of the kids from that same district that happened to graduate will end up taking classes to catch up because they didn't get it in High School. That is not because of a printing error.
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