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Old 05-02-2016, 10:25 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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They have neither fear of failure nor incentive to learn. Why work on equations when they can throw a ball and get a full scholarship?
Who are these people who can just throw a ball and get a full ride? Earning an athletic scholarship is very difficult, and very few accomplish it. Much easier, I think, to study the equations.
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Old 05-03-2016, 03:08 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Who are these people who can just throw a ball and get a full ride? Earning an athletic scholarship is very difficult, and very few accomplish it. Much easier, I think, to study the equations.

Depending on the school every single kid thinks that. I had kids over the years who couldn't make, or didn't even go out for, the high school teams who thought they were going to Georgetown/UFLA/UMD or wherever.


I also had kids who couldn't read who were positive they were going to be doctors/lawyers/whatever.


Many were abetted in their belief by their parents, who themselves suffered from such magical thinking.
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Old 05-03-2016, 06:53 AM
 
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I am more interested in some fair comparisons, like Hong Kong vs NYC or NYC vs Shanghai. Can NYC outperform them?
"If Shanghai is a showcase of Chinese educational progress, America’s showcase would be Massachusetts, which has routinely scored higher than all other states on America’s main federal math test in recent years.

But in a 2007 study that correlated the results of that test with the results of an international math exam, Massachusetts students scored behind Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. Shanghai did not participate in the test."

Top Test Scores From Shanghai Stun Educators - NYTimes.com
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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I picked those comparisons because they are mega city vs mega city. It not about best vs best. That will be easy. Just compare our top 5% to other countries' top 5%. Btw, I can't find data for NYC alone.
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Baker City, Oregon
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I am more interested in some fair comparisons, like Hong Kong vs NYC or NYC vs Shanghai. Can NYC outperform them?
With this demographic, not a chance:

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Old 05-03-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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Do we teach 3D geometry in American high schools? I still remember this old news from UK. BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Mathematicians set Chinese test

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Old 05-03-2016, 11:23 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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If these kids slip any further in math, they're gonna need a post hole digger to retrieve their scores.

As to the calculator.....about 30 years ago, I was trying to figure out how to get the square root of a number without using a calculator (I'd never been taught that and there were no computers then to look it up). I even went to the local community college and was finally referred to someone who actually knew how to do it. But that was after I'd talked to about 6 teachers in the Math and Sciences building.

It's not just the students.......
This.

I didn't go to public school but I had fairly crappy math teachers. It wasn't until I got a tutor who actually KNEW the subject that I started pulling straight As in math and stopped seeing it as being difficult. It became ridiculously easy.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Who are these people who can just throw a ball and get a full ride? Earning an athletic scholarship is very difficult, and very few accomplish it. Much easier, I think, to study the equations.
I recall a statistic that 2% of HS athletes get college scholarships, and they aren't all full ride either.
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Old 05-04-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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Let's be real, if you're good at math there is almost no incentive to become a math teacher in America

Why do that when I can just be an engineer and make way more money?
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Old 05-04-2016, 08:14 AM
 
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^^ That is true. Math whizz probably cannot volunteer to help kids math in schools because they don't have "license to teach".
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