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Old 04-26-2019, 04:06 PM
 
Location: midwest
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Jesus Christ, my dude, go to a school board meeting with your accounting proposal. Posting about it in every thread here isn't helping.

If school boards are so useful why are so many people all over the US complaining about education?
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Old 04-26-2019, 04:20 PM
 
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If school boards are so useful why are so many people all over the US complaining about education?
So what you are telling me is that you don't actually care about putting ideas into practice?
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Old 04-26-2019, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Interestingly debatable.

Is Education a Fundamental Right?
The history of an obscure Supreme Court ruling sheds light on the ongoing debate over schooling and immigration.

Just because the courts have recognized students' First Amendment rights, it doesn’t follow that students have other rights. Do students have Fourth Amendment protections against “unreasonable searches and seizures”? Do they have Fifth Amendment protections against self-incrimination? Do they have Eighth Amendment protections against “cruel and unusual punishment”?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...damental-right
The constitution of every state guarantees a free public education. There is nothing in the federal constitution about education.
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Old 04-26-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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The constitution of every state guarantees a free public education. There is nothing in the federal constitution about education.
I'm sure this gets "interpreted" as the state simply not being allowed to directly mail a bill to the families with charges for "TUITION".

School supplies, field trips, science projects, lab fees, certain exams cost the students per attempt. A lot is a la carte.

I'm surprised my parents weren't more outraged when letters were circulated at open house asking students to bring items such as Kleenex, dry erase markers, and copy paper! It's bad enough the school is asking teachers to pay for their own work supplies, but it's DISGUSTING to ask your STUDENTS for it.
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Old 04-26-2019, 05:03 PM
 
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I'm sure this gets "interpreted" as the state simply not being allowed to directly mail a bill to the families with charges for "TUITION".

School supplies, field trips, science projects, lab fees, certain exams cost the students per attempt. A lot is a la carte.

I'm surprised my parents weren't more outraged when letters were circulated at open house asking students to bring items such as Kleenex, dry erase markers, and copy paper! It's bad enough the school is asking teachers to pay for their own work supplies, but it's DISGUSTING to ask your STUDENTS for it.
So you are in favor of tax hikes? I'm on board but it's a hard thing to get people to rally behind.
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Old 04-26-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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So you are in favor of tax hikes? I'm on board but it's a hard thing to get people to rally behind.
This was supposed to be why NC finally got on board with a state lottery. We have teachers statewide marching on May 1 at our state capital for raises, and to overturn a decision to stop offering teachers access to group health coverage after retirement (for those hired after 2021).
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Old 04-26-2019, 07:43 PM
 
Location: midwest
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So what you are telling me is that you don't actually care about putting ideas into practice?
The Internet provides the means to put "education" into practice without the so called professionals.

This is a perfect example of how well they handle technology:

The LA School System's $1.3 Billion iPad Fiasco Comes to a Sad End

https://gizmodo.com/the-la-school-sy...-to-1733569377
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Jesus Christ, my dude, go to a school board meeting with your accounting proposal. Posting about it in every thread here isn't helping.
I agree...said that months ago. One trick pony. American education is, to some extent, a democracy. If you can't sell your idea to the general public, you're dead in the water...and often should be.
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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If school boards are so useful why are so many people all over the US complaining about education?
1. It doesn't matter. It's the way education is designed in this nation. Learn to live with it.

2. Why are people complaining? There are things to complain about, for sure. But also, since everyone went to school, everyone thinks they're an expert on schools.
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Old 04-26-2019, 09:41 PM
 
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1. It doesn't matter. It's the way education is designed in this nation. Learn to live with it.

2. Why are people complaining? There are things to complain about, for sure. But also, since everyone went to school, everyone thinks they're an expert on schools.
With the Internet why do we need to care about any "Official Design"?

If anything part of that design is to produce people subservient to authority.

Now students and parents can decide what they want to learn outside the system and give the minimum of lip service to the system. How much of that design comes from 1892?

https://sudburybeach.wordpress.com/2...mittee-of-ten/

Of course that was before Einstein came up with Relativity and most high schools still teach sciences in the sequence, Biology, Chemistry, Physics. It was also before photosynthesis was figured out.

How about Newtonian Physics, Chemistry, Biology and then Einstienian/Quantum Physics?

But now grammar school kids can watch videos about all of that on Youtube. And get computer science.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNN_tTXABUA

I did not get an explanation that good in college or from IBM. I had to solder together my own computer in 1978 to understand what was really going on.
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