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In 1975 a "5" was a perfect score. I'd be very interested in stats showing percentage of those receiving a "5". Everything but names (last names omitted) was true.
Like I said I don't doubt your thesis.
I'm just pretty sure your "perfect - 5" wasn't due to 100% on the test. If you think about how the 3, 4, 5 thing works 5 scores would be exquisitely rare if 100% was the mark.
I'm just pretty sure your "perfect - 5" wasn't due to 100% on the test.
I don't think it was 100% because a lot of the test, if memory from 46 years ago serves me was essay. It would be very hard to get 100% on an essay unless there were certain markers. I assume that it was some sort of percentile system, maybe top 10-15% or so. Curves tend to be "bell-shaped" meaning it would not be 20% per grade point.
I thought you were calling me a fraud. I am definitely not one.
I don't think it was 100% because a lot of the test, if memory from 46 years ago serves me was essay. It would be very hard to get 100% on an essay unless there were certain markers. I assume that it was some sort of percentile system, maybe top 10-15% or so. Curves tend to be "bell-shaped" meaning it would not be 20% per grade point.
I thought you were calling me a fraud. I am definitely not one.
Sorry about not being more clear. My peeve is with The College Board for misusing the word perfect - not you.
As a person that loved school and took extra classes, I don't see it as a waste of childhood. I also had time for friends. I only wish we could have taken classes for college credit back in the day. I would read some of my older sisters college textbooks for fun. Some kids really just like school. And tests. And tend to be competitive. It can be as much a game as anything.
I certainly don't think we need to celebrate mediocrity. I don't think education steals our childhood. Some people seem to still be stuck in childhood at 30. I don't think that's desirable.
For the record, it was my teacher, Eric R., who used the term "perfect." He was trying to defuse a significant possible scandal, were I vindictive and not focused on my future as a college student and some kind of professional.
I think a few things going on that some people may be missing:
Is the student really motivated, or is he/she being pressured by parents?
Is the student really interested in what he/she is doing, or is it being done just to get an advantage in the college admissions process?
Are such students focused entirely on one thing, and not well-rounded? Are they sacrificing social skills for one narrow field?
This can become somewhat of an arms race that nobody benefits. Suppose an employer has a work day starting at 8 AM. One employee decides to start work at 7 AM, thinking it wll help him/her get ahead. And then everybody is pressured to start work at 7 AM just to keep their job. And then that employee starts at 6 AM. And the cycle continues. The only person who benefits is the employer, who now gets an extra 2 hours of work from every employee for free. Perhaps people feel that this is having a similar effect on college admisions.
I don't think overachieving at school necessarily means bright. It also means ability to conform. Kids that represent a behavioral challenge oftenart looked at that way.
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I’m not sure how growing it is. The programs were available when I was in school in the ‘80s and ‘90s (Except no online) and I knew many people who participated. My sister even did a lot of them and she was generally a lazier student. However, she really liked the summer enrichment activities because they were topics of interest for her. She was mainly bored in class if she was not challenged.
Another example of why schools need to find a way to reach through to high achieving students. Since most teachers were not high achieving students, they do not connect with such students. Their loyalty is toward the weaker students, and posters on this forum defend that attitude. But telling the high achieving students to just shut up so the teacher can focus on the weaker students (who the teacher feels are more worthy of an education) is not the answer. It just results in the higher achieving students getting bored and acting out in class. Especially if the student feels justified in acting out in class, since the teacher is clearly not meeting that student's needs.
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