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Old 08-05-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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Interesting twist on the special ed debate.

School District Sues 'Vexatious' Mother
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:53 AM
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Oh I have all my fingers crossed that the school district wins... Please Please Please some real justice.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:03 AM
 
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Good for them. There is a district in MN that is forking out over $80,000/year for one student to attend a neighboring school in a different district for similar reasons. The child has some kind of a handicap-not gifted-but same thing. The worst part is that MN has statewide open enrollment so the family could have enrolled in the school anyway. I don't remember all the details as it was a few years ago but it was totally frivolous, something like the bathroom was outside of the special ed room instead of inside or something really important like that.
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:29 PM
 
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I attended school in this district, and it was a quality education. I hope that the district wins!
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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I attended school in this district, and it was a quality education. I hope that the district wins!
It will be an interesting precident if they do. I wonder if it will open the door for suing parents of special ed kids when they make demands that infringe on the right of other students to get an education.

I look around and think someone needs to stand up for the average student. Everyone seems to have rights but them.
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Old 08-06-2009, 03:10 PM
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I look around and think someone needs to stand up for the average student. Everyone seems to have rights but them.
Totally right, I was a one-on-one aide at a middle school for awhile following around a kid who had anger issues just to keep him from getting into fights, I made over a $1000 a month after taxes so that’s about $10,000 a year roughly, going towards one kid. There were plenty of other kids in the district who could benefit from having an aide or help with homework but this one kid got all the attention because of his bad temper just because he was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. I think he should have had to have gone to school for violent students instead of making the state pay for his own personal assistant when it wasn't even necessary.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:45 PM
 
Location: On a Slow-Sinking Granite Rock Up North
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Totally right, I was a one-on-one aide at a middle school for awhile following around a kid who had anger issues just to keep him from getting into fights, I made over a $1000 a month after taxes so that’s about $10,000 a year roughly, going towards one kid. There were plenty of other kids in the district who could benefit from having an aide or help with homework but this one kid got all the attention because of his bad temper just because he was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. I think he should have had to have gone to school for violent students instead of making the state pay for his own personal assistant when it wasn't even necessary.
Been there, done that (didn't make quite as much ).

Nevertheless, I continue to be amazed at how what used to be considered a therapeutic way of dealing with children and/or adults who had certain issues by trying to incent good behavior, seems to be lacking now. My brother has come across this very issue in a group home where he works with all types of clients with mental issues such as Asperger Syndrome, MR, Downs, etc. When he worked at the same agency a few years before, the residents were expected to keep their rooms and persons clean in exchange for trips, movies, etc...it wasn't much, but they were at least expected to take a shower, brush their teeth, and make their bed. One of the biggest changes he's encountered since he's gone back is those small chores aren't required, and he's practically got to wear a mask to be in the same room with a couple of the residents.

I think sometimes things like this can go overboard. I agree that we should help kids by all means, but at least be realistic about the abilities and/or liabilities of each child and plan accordingly (IMO).

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Old 08-07-2009, 06:16 AM
 
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Been there, done that (didn't make quite as much ).

Nevertheless, I continue to be amazed at how what used to be considered a therapeutic way of dealing with children and/or adults who had certain issues by trying to incent good behavior, seems to be lacking now. My brother has come across this very issue in a group home where he works with all types of clients with mental issues such as Asperger Syndrome, MR, Downs, etc. When he worked at the same agency a few years before, the residents were expected to keep their rooms and persons clean in exchange for trips, movies, etc...it wasn't much, but they were at least expected to take a shower, brush their teeth, and make their bed. One of the biggest changes he's encountered since he's gone back is those small chores aren't required, and he's practically got to wear a mask to be in the same room with a couple of the residents.

I think sometimes things like this can go overboard. I agree that we should help kids by all means, but at least be realistic about the abilities and/or liabilities of each child and plan accordingly (IMO).
ITA. You have to be realistic. Unfortunately, in education, the pendulum tends to swing to extremes. With all the budget cuts to regular ed while special ed is protected, I anticipate a backlash against special ed. Of course it's not PC so it will take a while but I hear more and more grumbling about how much money is spent on a few kids while the majority make do with less and less.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:52 PM
 
Location: On a Slow-Sinking Granite Rock Up North
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ITA. You have to be realistic. Unfortunately, in education, the pendulum tends to swing to extremes. With all the budget cuts to regular ed while special ed is protected, I anticipate a backlash against special ed. Of course it's not PC so it will take a while but I hear more and more grumbling about how much money is spent on a few kids while the majority make do with less and less.

Yes, I agree. I hear grumblings about it here too. "Faddish" seems to be the rage throughout pedagogical planning. Learning is such an individual endeavor. No two people will ever learn alike. It has got to be incredibly frustrating to try to find a common ground. That's why I like to try and be reasonable and realistic when I work with the teachers that my children have.
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Old 08-07-2009, 07:51 PM
 
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Good for them. There is a district in MN that is forking out over $80,000/year for one student to attend a neighboring school in a different district for similar reasons. The child has some kind of a handicap-not gifted-but same thing. The worst part is that MN has statewide open enrollment so the family could have enrolled in the school anyway. I don't remember all the details as it was a few years ago but it was totally frivolous, something like the bathroom was outside of the special ed room instead of inside or something really important like that.

As a special education teacher I can tell you the bathroom can be a HUGE DEAL. Especially if the child can not be safe around other students. I've had students that were unable to safely transition to the restroom in the hall. Also if the student is not potty trained it's an even bigger issue.
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