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Old 01-07-2008, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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#1 - the Clinton's were cleared of any wrong doing regarding Whitewater. People should thus stop harping on this. A team of investigators worked on this case and indeed they had and still have access to information you and I never will have. Their conclusion should be respected as it was final - yours if it contradicts is based upon much less information and a lot of hearsay.

#2 Hillary would have been damned today if she had been divorced, and instead is damned for standing by her man. What a ridiculous notion that she stayed married just for political reasons. Regardless of potential validity of this point - it has no bearing on how well she could do as president. In fact, her husband's experience as president makes him an ideal first-husband if she was president.

#3 Universal healthcare is not evil, nor socialist. People who say such things don't get it, are independently wealthy, already retired, or must not be US citizens. Why - because the current state of health insurance stinks.

Our personal contributions for those of us who work at Corporations have increased each year beyond inflationary costs. Meanwhile our coverage has actually been decreasing and copays increasing. For those of you lucky enough not to have been experiencing this - then your company must be paying the difference out of their own budgets. Have any of you tried to use the Health Savings Accounts or the federal tax-free health care reimbursement accounts you can set up? - I have and the truth is that they stink as well - ridiculous paperwork you need to mail and file, and a ridiculous use-it or lose it policy in which you need to estimate how much health care cost you will have for the upcoming year and anything you undershoot the government keeps, and anything you overshoot you pay yourself. Those aren't good alternatives! They're insane and make us, who happen to be insured each have to work much harder to get the money and care due us.

For those who own their own business or who work for small companies - you must realize that the cost of health insurance for workers has gone up so significantly the last few years that indeed most small companies cannot even afford to provide health coverage for their employees. Many small business owners pay a thousand dollars or more a month to cover their families.

Then lastly, there's millions of uninsured US citizens in the US today. It's undisputed. Is it right that these folks cannot get health care services they need when they need it? If you think so then you have not thought this out or you have no heart.

#4 regarding Clinton's previous vs current stance on Iraq. She is not alone in that she (as with many politicians) initially supported the war, and now she thinks we ought to get out. Why is this a problem? Heck, I know many non-politicians who have changed their mind on Iraq as well. As information and the truth as come out over time anyone in their right mind would see that something bad is happening right now in Iraq and it doesn't appear to be solved with loss of US soldier lives.
The reason I don't support Hillary is because her health care plan is completely unfeasible. First of all, she proposes universal insurance, not healthcare. Two very different things that don't equate to one another. And socialist care is great, so long as you wish to reliquish all of our personal control over the services we recieve, the time frame we recieve them in, and squash entrepreneurial interests and research. And the so-called millions without health insurance; keep in mind that number includes illegal aliens, those with incomes over $50k and choose not to have health insurance, and those that qualify but don't enroll in Medicaid.

And the most important reason her plan won't work? It boils down to yet another unfunded mandate. Bottom line, we don't have the money we'd have to pump into this to make premiums affordable for everyone. Check out things in Massachusets, even at a state level this doesn't work well.
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Old 01-07-2008, 06:24 PM
 
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The reason I don't support Hillary is because her health care plan is completely unfeasible. First of all, she proposes universal insurance, not healthcare. Two very different things that don't equate to one another. And socialist care is great, so long as you wish to reliquish all of our personal control over the services we recieve, the time frame we recieve them in, and squash entrepreneurial interests and research. And the so-called millions without health insurance; keep in mind that number includes illegal aliens, those with incomes over $50k and choose not to have health insurance, and those that qualify but don't enroll in Medicaid.

And the most important reason her plan won't work? It boils down to yet another unfunded mandate. Bottom line, we don't have the money we'd have to pump into this to make premiums affordable for everyone. Check out things in Massachusets, even at a state level this doesn't work well.

Hillary's website states she would propose tax cuts to small businesses who offer healthcare.

Basically, that's government subsidization cloaked in terms conservatives like, but that's the way you have to go these days because so many in the country are immature and still think the Soviets are going to enslave us all with SOCIALISM!!
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Old 01-07-2008, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Basically, that's government subsidization cloaked in terms conservatives like, but that's the way you have to go these days because so many in the country are immature and still think the Soviets are going to enslave us all with SOCIALISM!!
The Soviets are coming back?! What happened to the billionaire Chinese capitalists?!
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Old 01-07-2008, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
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The Soviet Union never really went away. Guys like Putin were always quietly running the Country and now they are starting to resurface at the top.
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Old 01-07-2008, 06:57 PM
 
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The Soviet Union never really went away. Guys like Putin were always quietly running the Country and now they are starting to resurface at the top.
I've seen his administration likened more to "Czarist" Russia than Soviet Russia.
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Old 01-20-2008, 09:48 PM
 
Location: NY
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Oh really... read this and tell me she ain't so bad:
American Thinker: Hillary's Oedipal Problem
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Old 01-21-2008, 10:36 AM
 
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Oh really... read this and tell me she ain't so bad:
American Thinker: Hillary's Oedipal Problem

She aint so bad.


NEXT!
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Old 01-21-2008, 10:59 AM
 
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I see so much Hillary bashing ....




and so little bragging about other candidates.




?
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Old 01-21-2008, 11:11 AM
 
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Why isn't she that bad ????
Because she does it with a smile, while lieing through her teeth... while giving our country away to the foreigners in other countries that are replacing our work force and illegals.
While entertaining sex traffickers in the white house.
Why isn't she that bad ?????
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Old 01-21-2008, 11:15 AM
 
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Why isn't she that bad ????
Because she does it with a smile, while lieing through her teeth... while giving our country away to the foreigners in other countries that are replacing our work force and illegals.
While entertaining sex traffickers in the white house.
Why isn't she that bad ?????

Wait....are you talking about Hillary Clinton or george bush?
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