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#1 - the Clinton's were cleared of any wrong doing regarding Whitewater. People should thus stop harping on this. A team of investigators worked on this case and indeed they had and still have access to information you and I never will have. Their conclusion should be respected as it was final - yours if it contradicts is based upon much less information and a lot of hearsay.
#2 Hillary would have been damned today if she had been divorced, and instead is damned for standing by her man. What a ridiculous notion that she stayed married just for political reasons. Regardless of potential validity of this point - it has no bearing on how well she could do as president. In fact, her husband's experience as president makes him an ideal first-husband if she was president.
#3 Universal healthcare is not evil, nor socialist. People who say such things don't get it, are independently wealthy, already retired, or must not be US citizens. Why - because the current state of health insurance stinks.
Our personal contributions for those of us who work at Corporations have increased each year beyond inflationary costs. Meanwhile our coverage has actually been decreasing and copays increasing. For those of you lucky enough not to have been experiencing this - then your company must be paying the difference out of their own budgets. Have any of you tried to use the Health Savings Accounts or the federal tax-free health care reimbursement accounts you can set up? - I have and the truth is that they stink as well - ridiculous paperwork you need to mail and file, and a ridiculous use-it or lose it policy in which you need to estimate how much health care cost you will have for the upcoming year and anything you undershoot the government keeps, and anything you overshoot you pay yourself. Those aren't good alternatives! They're insane and make us, who happen to be insured each have to work much harder to get the money and care due us.
For those who own their own business or who work for small companies - you must realize that the cost of health insurance for workers has gone up so significantly the last few years that indeed most small companies cannot even afford to provide health coverage for their employees. Many small business owners pay a thousand dollars or more a month to cover their families.
Then lastly, there's millions of uninsured US citizens in the US today. It's undisputed. Is it right that these folks cannot get health care services they need when they need it? If you think so then you have not thought this out or you have no heart.
#4 regarding Clinton's previous vs current stance on Iraq. She is not alone in that she (as with many politicians) initially supported the war, and now she thinks we ought to get out. Why is this a problem? Heck, I know many non-politicians who have changed their mind on Iraq as well. As information and the truth as come out over time anyone in their right mind would see that something bad is happening right now in Iraq and it doesn't appear to be solved with loss of US soldier lives.
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The issues most important to me are jobs for Americans, corporate greed and illegal immigration. She voted for the amnesty bill. This bill, pushed by greedy corporations, would have put millions of American jobs at risk and encouraged more illegal immigration into our country.
I forgot to mention that Bush crafted this bill. You have to wonder: how could two people as opposite as Bush and Clinton are vote for this bad bill? I guess when it comes to pleasing greedy corporations Bush and Clinton are very much alike.
#3 Universal healthcare is not evil, nor socialist. People who say such things don't get it, are independently wealthy, already retired, or must not be US citizens. Why - because the current state of health insurance stinks.
This statement is 100% wrong. I am not independently wealthy, or retired, and I am US citizen. My income puts me in the lower portion of the "middle, middle class". My company pays for my coverage, I pay out the a$$ for my wife to be covered. The coverage only pays an 80% coverage until I've forked out $3000 per person.
So believe me, I know all about the ills of our current system. My wife has an auto immune disease that means we don't get to skip out on not going to the doctor unless an injury or something comes along. We have to make it work. She would likely be dead right now if we were on socialized medicine. Why? Because she doctor shopped for months and went to almost a dozen specialists before she was properly diagnosed and treated. Social medicine doesn't allow a person to visit a dozen specialists in 2 or 3 months because they feel they are being misdiagnosed. A few more months of non diagnosis or misdiagnosis and improper treatment would have led to internal organ damage and a slow, painful death. She had to file bankruptcy due to the expenses involved. But she's alive and surviving today.
So please, on the topic of healthcare, don't assume that those who oppose a government takeover are rich and have no issues. I'm sure there are plenty who have their stories where they might have been better off with social medicine. I won't condemn their opinion or view. But I have the right to mine as well. I agree healthcare is in need of a fix, but there are options that don't include turning it over to a government who is not doing a good job with most programs it is in control of now.
jgussler..........how did she quit in the osama search?
Who has not quit, other than stubborn Dubya, on the Iraq issue?
I didn't say she quit on the search. She quit on the war against. The majority of Osama's group, are in Iraq causing the majority of the problem. He may not be there, but his cowards are.
George W. is not the only one still standing up for it. The soldiers and sailors that are over there are standing up for it. And don't say that they don't want to be there. Last year there were thousands of reenlistments on the grounds that they could go back and make a difference.
I work with several National Guardsmen around here. They don't say, "Man, my unit is up for deployment." They do say, "Alright, I get a chance to go back over in November."
So they're not quitters.
So what kind of message do the quitters send to our troups?
My wife has an auto immune disease that means we don't get to skip out on not going to the doctor unless an injury or something comes along. We have to make it work. She would likely be dead right now if we were on socialized medicine. Why? Because she doctor shopped for months and went to almost a dozen specialists before she was properly diagnosed and treated. Social medicine doesn't allow a person to visit a dozen specialists in 2 or 3 months because they feel they are being misdiagnosed. A few more months of non diagnosis or misdiagnosis and improper treatment would have led to internal organ damage and a slow, painful death. She had to file bankruptcy due to the expenses involved. But she's alive and surviving today.
So please, on the topic of healthcare, don't assume that those who oppose a government takeover are rich and have no issues. I'm sure there are plenty who have their stories where they might have been better off with social medicine. I won't condemn their opinion or view. But I have the right to mine as well. I agree healthcare is in need of a fix, but there are options that don't include turning it over to a government who is not doing a good job with most programs it is in control of now.
Where is it written or is there any anecdotal evidence that with the proposed US Universal Healthcare you wouldn't be able to get 2nd, or 3rd opinions on diagnosis? I've never heard of this. Please enlighten us all.
Where is it written or is there any anecdotal evidence that with the proposed US Universal Healthcare you wouldn't be able to get 2nd, or 3rd opinions on diagnosis? I've never heard of this. Please enlighten us all.
2nd and 3rd weren't enough. It required either over 10 in less than 3 months. These weren't normal docs, but specialists, mostly rheumatologists. Show me a socialized program where you are able to call up specialist after specialist with no referring doctor after you have already recieved "treatment" from 2 or 3, all in a very short time span of 9-12 weeks. And if you can show me a system like that, show me the tax rates of the average middle class citizens.
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