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Old 09-10-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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What a load of crapola!!

Because of RULES...I can't say here...exactly what I think...but most folks know!
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Old 09-10-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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If that baby is a viable human being you are totally wrong. If it can live on its own it is a human. Do you think it is acceptable for a mom or dad to smother their 1 hour old baby or throw it in the garbage? I would hope you would answer NO, so what is the difference in that and aborting a baby that can very well survive on its own if born. I am not necessarily talking first trimester, though I am opposed to abortion period except in rare cases. I do consider it murder to take a life of a fetus that has developed enough to survive outside mom's womb. You keep saying "embryo, I am talking fetus; 2 different stages of devolopment.

I don't know about you personally, but how many people support abortions and are against capital purnishment?

Nita
viable fetus do not get aborted for funzies. any baby able to live outside the womb at that stage of development is aborted only because of severe health problems
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Old 09-10-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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Unborn children have rights, and by choosing to kill them before they are born when they would otherwise be born healthy and lead a fulfilling life is in violation of that child's right to live.

Basically it's not anyone's right to take someone else's life.
one gets rights upon their birth. not before
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Old 09-10-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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If that baby is a viable human being you are totally wrong. If it can live on its own it is a human. Do you think it is acceptable for a mom or dad to smother their 1 hour old baby or throw it in the garbage? I would hope you would answer NO, so what is the difference in that and aborting a baby that can very well survive on its own if born. I am not necessarily talking first trimester, though I am opposed to abortion period except in rare cases. I do consider it murder to take a life of a fetus that has developed enough to survive outside mom's womb. You keep saying "embryo, I am talking fetus; 2 different stages of devolopment.

I don't know about you personally, but how many people support abortions and are against capital purnishment?

Nita
There are already protections for fetuses who have passed the point of viability.

When women have abortions*
Eighty-eight percent of abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, 2006.

Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

Those are the women to whom I am referring.

You are against abortion in most cases. Good for you that no one will ever force you to get one. That's what choice is all about.

I am in favor of capital punishment for certain heinous murderers, if the evidence is incontrovertible.
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Old 09-10-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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thanks ray for the info so many anti choice folks want people to think women are getting late term abortions because they suddenly changed their minds about wanting a baby 8 months in
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Old 09-10-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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Eighty-eight percent of abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, 2006.
And of the others...
the DELAY is usually attributable to inaccurate, fear and guilt laden "counsel"
or actual interference due to facility scarcity and threats against doctors.

The same folks so concerned about late term abortion...
have themselves to blame for (most of) that happening.
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Old 09-10-2011, 04:40 PM
 
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Just because YOU believe abortion is "murder" doesn't mean that it is so. Psst - Nomander, an embryo is not a "someone."

In this country, you are free to believe what you want. You are NOT free to impose your beliefs on anyone else. How is that hard for YOU to realize??

And, FYI, "he" is a "she" who has given birth to two children who are now adults and parents of their own children. So, unless both of you are women, I know a hell of a lot more about being pregnant and all that goes along with it, than either of you do.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: when it comes to women and their own bodies, MYOB!
It is a human life. /shrug

The rest is just rationalization to fit a subjective interpretation. It isn't nothing new, the same dismissal has been used to justify killing those of other races, of different beliefs, etc... Heck such has even been used to justify the beating of women claiming they were a lesser worth class of being. It was accepted, well, because the man owned the woman and well, he had the right to do whatever he desired to her. /boggle

Rationalize away, it doesn't change the fact of the matter.
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Old 09-10-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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It is a human life. /shrug

The rest is just rationalization to fit a subjective interpretation. It isn't nothing new, the same dismissal has been used to justify killing those of other races, of different beliefs, etc... Heck such has even been used to justify the beating of women claiming they were a lesser worth class of being. It was accepted, well, because the man owned the woman and well, he had the right to do whatever he desired to her. /boggle

Rationalize away, it doesn't change the fact of the matter.
IN. YOUR. (mistaken) OPINION.
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Old 09-10-2011, 06:05 PM
 
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It is a human life. /shrug

The rest is just rationalization to fit a subjective interpretation. It isn't nothing new, the same dismissal has been used to justify killing those of other races, of different beliefs, etc... Heck such has even been used to justify the beating of women claiming they were a lesser worth class of being. It was accepted, well, because the man owned the woman and well, he had the right to do whatever he desired to her. /boggle

Rationalize away, it doesn't change the fact of the matter.
rationalize away. it doesn't change the fact it is potential human life. until a fetus is viable outside a womb it is only potential life

edited to add unlike, women who are beat, other races and people who think differently.
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Old 09-10-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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IN. YOUR. (mistaken) OPINION.
Yep, most criminals have a process of rationalizing their crimes.

"Hey, that chick deserved to get raped, she was dressing like she wanted it!"

"blacks aren't people, they are just a lower form of animal, killing them is no different than killing a dog!"

"Jews are greedy people, they steal and worship money, they deserve what they get!"

"That woman must be of the devil, she seduced men with her witchcraft, she deserves to burn at the stake!"

"Americans are infidels who worship false gods and promote vile forms of society, they deserve to be exterminated!"

Yep, I am well aware of the rationalization of people. Happens all the time. I mean, who are we to object? Its like... just a differing "opinion" and everyone's opinion must be respected!

*chuckle*

The more time changes, the more it stays the same.

Whatever makes you sleep at night I guess. /sigh
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