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Old 01-17-2012, 10:27 AM
 
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It was both, plus more. Then he had to apologize. It dropped my opinion of Romney tremendously.

Mitt Romney's Son Jokes About Obama's Birth Certificate, President's Campaign Responds

Romney son apologizes for Obama 'birther' joke
It would be a physical impossibility for my opinion of Mitt to drop...
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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We are a nation of laws.

Hurt or help you, they are what they are. Twisting the law to suit you, but not others, means you feel you or your guy is above the law of the land.
Unfortunately this administration and several prior have proven we are not a nation of laws. Those of us who would like to return to that ideal are voting for Ron Paul.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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I'm no birther, but if what is written in the OP is correct then Mitt Romney may not be eligible to be the President and in that case, neither would Barack Obama. A President of the United States can't be a dual citizen, which would make him a citizen of another country. It seems pretty straight forward.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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I'm no birther, but if what is written in the OP is correct then Mitt Romney may not be eligible to be the President and in that case, neither would Barack Obama.
This eligibility thing has been distorted a lot in several directions. It's simple: anyone born inside the United States is eligible. Anyone born outside is not. The parent's citizenship has nothing to do with it. Romney is eligible. Obama may or may not be depending on where he was really born.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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I'm no birther, but if what is written in the OP is correct...
Which it isn't (as pertains to the claims about dual citizenship and natural-born citizenship).

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...then Mitt Romney may not be eligible to be the President and in that case, neither would Barack Obama. A President of the United States can't be a dual citizen, which would make him a citizen of another country. It seems pretty straight forward.
Says you, but not any court in the land.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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I'm no birther, but if what is written in the OP is correct then Mitt Romney may not be eligible to be the President and in that case, neither would Barack Obama. A President of the United States can't be a dual citizen, which would make him a citizen of another country. It seems pretty straight forward.
We had a whole other thread on this issue. No the OP is not right. Let's put the whole thing in modern terms so it makes a bit more sense.

Imagine that you and your spouse both take jobs working in Australia for whatever reason. While in Australia, you have a crop of 5 kids. Eventually, you move back to the USA. What the OP is saying is that those five kids are citizens of Australia and not the United States.

True, the Romney family's move to Mexico was for entirely different reasons, but that's irrelevant. The Romneys and others left the US, moved to Mexico in the 1890's and stayed there for several decades. George Romney (Mitt's father) was born there. During the Mexican Revolution, George's family fled Mexico to the United states when George was just 9 years old. At no time did the Romney's take any action that would have ended their US citizenship, so they were essentially coming home to the their homeland.

The concept is the same: If you leave the country for an extended period of time, have children and then move back, unless you did something to voluntarily give up your US citizenship, then you and your family are all US citizens. The OP is saying that you are not.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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This eligibility thing has been distorted a lot in several directions. It's simple: anyone born inside the United States is eligible. Anyone born outside is not. The parent's citizenship has nothing to do with it. Romney is eligible. Obama may or may not be depending on where he was really born.
Anyone who thinks Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii is suffering from extreme delusions. Even most birthers have given up on that and are now focusing on his Kenyan-born father.
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Old 01-18-2012, 12:28 AM
 
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Anyone who thinks Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii is suffering from extreme delusions. Even most birthers have given up on that and are now focusing on his Kenyan-born father.
I don't appreciate being called delusional because I have doubts about the possibly fraudulent documents presented by the Obama administration.
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Old 01-18-2012, 02:02 AM
 
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Anyone who thinks Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii is suffering from extreme delusions. Even most birthers have given up on that and are now focusing on his Kenyan-born father.
Would that include his own grandmother??
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Old 01-18-2012, 07:11 AM
 
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....documents presented by the Obama administration.
and confirmed by the hawaiian DOH and contemporaneous newspaper accounts.
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