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That's the point, the GOP are not too far left, they are to the extreme right with their insane spending, warmongering, and huge government (same goes for Obama) which Paul was stating.
Well the difference is that we already knew Obama was going to spend so that shouldn't have been a big shocker!
The GOP spends on "their "issues" ( wars and such) while the Dems spend it on their "social causes".
If you are going to take my tax money I will go with them Dems! I love how every Republican promises to "cut" taxes and save your money!
This is a good segment from Paul that states the GOP are likely going to lose again in the 2012 presidential run with a big part of it from their support of more warmongering, which leads to more spending, the support of big government legislation like the patriot act, and other fundamentals that are not conservative at all, rather far right extremism. Now the question, have conservatives/GOP gone off the deep end and are no longer their former self because of the hard right wingnuts?
I think your link confirms the results on this threads poll that the GOP voters and independents have had it with the GOP of today.
Perhaps there will be some "cleansing" of the right once they lose again in 2012 by the right to return to their true conservative roots, but I'm not holding my breath.
That's the point, the GOP are not too far left, they are to the extreme right with their insane spending, warmongering, and huge government (same goes for Obama) which Paul was stating.
Insane spending and huge government is a trait of liberals/Democrats, not the GOP. Funny you should mention "insane spending" when the spending has increased more under the current president (a Democrat) than with the last president (a Republican).
As for warmongering, Democrats have started just as many, if not more, wars than Republicans have.
This is a good segment from Paul that states the GOP are likely going to lose again in the 2012 presidential run with a big part of it from their support of more warmongering, which leads to more spending, the support of big government legislation like the patriot act, and other fundamentals that are not conservative at all, rather far right extremism. Now the question, have conservatives/GOP gone off the deep end and are no longer their former self because of the hard right wingnuts?
Paul is right, but he will lose a few neocon votes over saying this. But that's alright.
Your poll is a difficult one, and I think, oversimplified. I could/did not vote.
Socially, definitely the GOP has moved way far to the right. Is this the farthest they can go? Probably not. I can think of crazier ideas they can promulgate, and it's not definitely not beyond the realm of possibility in Santorum's la-la land.
Fiscally, GOP has always claimed that they are to the right, but they never was, at least for several decades. And they won't be, even this time around. The hard evidence for that is right before our eyes - Romney, Santorum and Newt do not plan to cut anything. Even if they had claimed they would, as long as they promote perpetual warfare, cuts are not going to happen, because war provides the biggest excuse for the expansion of the government, in the name of the very vague and broad umbrella term "national security".
The reason the GOP rank-and-file has moved themselves to the right more so than they would normally have, is because Obama and most of the current Democratic party is center-right themselves in foreign policy and civil liberties, and this is GOP's way of painting a stark contrast between them and Obama.
As much as I dislike and disagree with Obama's policies, McCain would have been worse. And Santorum would be far, far worse. Paul would be perfect, but he scares the hell out of the average GOP because he would force them to do what they had always claimed they would do - be fiscally conservative. Notwithstanding all the rhetoric, it's mathematically impossible for the GOP to bring about fiscal conservatism, if they also want to enact every pet big government idea of theirs (War on Drugs, War on Terror, Patriot Act, NDAA, contraception ban...the list is endless.)
Fiscally, both party leaderships have always been to the left and will be. That's because they are in this together. (2 faces of the same monster.) The lack of a free market and the presence of central economic planners ensure that wealth is always transferred from the middle class to the rich, and when it comes to this fundamental bane of our existence, there is no right or left. There is just big government and We The People.
That's the point, the GOP are not too far left, they are to the extreme right with their insane spending, warmongering, and huge government (same goes for Obama) which Paul was stating.
Over-spending is NOT right, but rather left.
Warmongering isn't a traditional conservative message. It's a message of Neocons (former Democrats) doing their bidding for Israel.
Huge government is left, not right.
The Republican Party isn't very conservative. It's too far to the left.
This is a good segment from Paul that states the GOP are likely going to lose again in the 2012 presidential run with a big part of it from their support of more warmongering, which leads to more spending, the support of big government legislation like the patriot act, and other fundamentals that are not conservative at all, rather far right extremism. Now the question, have conservatives/GOP gone off the deep end and are no longer their former self because of the hard right wingnuts?
I see your friends are all responding to this poll. Social issures the main steam GOP are anything but to the right: fisaclly they are right and hopefully they will continue to move even further to the right.
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Insane spending and huge government is a trait of liberals/Democrats, not the GOP. Funny you should mention "insane spending" when the spending has increased more under the current president (a Democrat) than with the last president (a Republican).
As for warmongering, Democrats have started just as many, if not more, wars than Republicans have.
Federal discretionary spending, including defense.
I'm sure someone will be along soon to try to pin Bush's last year on Obama, and his previous seven on Clinton.
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