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Old 05-30-2012, 12:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Lawyer Disciple View Post
Well Mitt didn't have a problem releasing his. The timing is interesting since Trump has been on the attack in the news yesterday about Obama's birth certificate he released on April 27, 2011, particularly questioning it's authenticity and wanting Obama to release his college transcripts. There is some very interesting information in the article about Romneys father.
I tried to read it, but my Spanish isn't the greatest.

What does "Acta De Nacimiento" mean?

 
Old 05-30-2012, 01:12 AM
 
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We haven't seen Mitt's trancripts, his medical records, his baptism certificate, his kindergarten records, and all the other drivel that the birthers want to see of Obama's.


This piece on Romney and his old man is pure propaganda, and part and parcel of the way you people are so easily led by your noses. Have you no common sense at all?

George Romney's circumstance being born in Mexico, with both his parents being US citizens has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama and his situation of being the product of his Kenyan born father who was by law, a British subject at the time of Barack's birth. Being a British subject, that automatically made Obama senior's son, Barack Obama, a British subject under British law, regardless of where he was born. That's the key issue ... not whether Barack was or was not born in Hawaii. That argument is a red herring diversion for the dim bulbs.

Fact #1 - Obama senior was a British subject at the time of Barack's birth. Under British law, that automatically made Barack a British subject too. The question remains, can a British subject possibly be confused with being a natural born US citizen, eligible to be President of the United States? The answer is absolutely not.

Our founding fathers fought the revolutionary war against the British empire to free us from British rule. They drafted the constitution, and made specific and exclusive reference to "Natural Born Citizen" as one of the criteria for eligibility to be President of that new United States of America, so as to preclude a foreign agent from taking the highest office. But that criteria also states that the president not only must be a "natural born citizen" but also stipulates that he must owe no allegiance to a foreign power. Clearly, being a British subject violates that criteria too!

So the idea that the founding fathers would consider a BRITISH subject as meeting the eligibility requirements they stipulated is BEYOND ABSURD.

Last edited by CaseyB; 05-30-2012 at 06:11 AM.. Reason: off topic
 
Old 05-30-2012, 01:27 AM
 
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George Romney's circumstance being born in Mexico, with both his parents being US citizens has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama and his situation of being the product of his Kenyan born father who was by law, a British subject at the time of Barack's birth. Being a British subject, that automatically made Obama senior's son, Barack Obama, a British subject under British law, regardless of where he was born. That's the key issue ... not whether Barack was or was not born in Hawaii. That argument is a red herring diversion for the dim bulbs.
You have demonstrated with this paragraph that we aren't the "dim bulbs' here.

200 years of case history: Born on us soil = Natural Born .

Not a single case has ever cited that both your parents must be citizens.

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Fact #1 - Obama senior was a British subject at the time of Barack's birth. Under British law, that automatically made Barack a British subject too. The question remains, can a British subject possibly be confused with being a natural born US citizen, eligible to be President of the United States? The answer is absolutely not.
This is a complete and utter lie. The US doesn't care if your parents were irish or whatever. All they care about is where the heck you born. If on US SOIL< they don't give a RAT's patootey of who you parents are.

If outside of the US, AT LEAST one of your parents must be a US Citizen.

This is the LAW. Or haven't you read the US CODE Title 18 under which our CITIZENSHIP laws are defined?

You know why we know this compete and utter bovine excrement?

Bachman - qualifies for Swiss Citizenship automatically because of her husband. Yet she was a candidate running just this year for the GOP nomination. No imaginary dual citizenship no allowed requirement for her.

Kennedy - through his grandfather and father, was an automatic Irish citizen from birth.

Dukakis - was a dual citizen because his father was from GREECE, yet nothing about this imaginary no-dual citiznship allowed crap, during his campaign.

Dick Gephardt - born to a German dual citizen father. He was considered a German citizen since birth. No imaginary no-dual-citizen not allowed during his candidacy run in 1988

Paul Simon - same as Dick Gephardt. Father was a dual citizen German, and Paul was born with German citizenship

James Traficant - born to a Italian/Slovakian/Hungarian father and mother. HE earned Italian and Slovakian citizenship upon birth.

There are more past President and even CANDIDATES who held some type of dual citizenship, without realizing they were.

Funny how you birhters belive that OUR Citizenship laws in America are SO WEAK that we have to kowtow to the laws of other nations concerning who are citizens are.
 
Old 05-30-2012, 01:58 AM
 
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She is a pseudoexpert, and has shown repeatedly that she doesn't know how Photoshop and even Illustrator works.

Anyone who takes Zebest at her word needs to have their heads examined.
Zabest is a expert. Zebeth has co-authored no less than 17 books on the subject of advanced computer graphics, at least one of which sit on the shelves of virtually every advanced photoshop user in every English-speaking country. She writes for the beginner and intermediate user, but professionals instantly and instinctively recognize from her writing and examples the extensive depth of her skill. Every higher-level professional knows this about Zebest.
 
Old 05-30-2012, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Thumbs down lol...

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Originally Posted by Lawyer Disciple View Post
Zabest is a expert. Zebeth has co-authored no less than 17 books on the subject of advanced computer graphics, at least one of which sit on the shelves of virtually every advanced photoshop user in every English-speaking country. She writes for the beginner and intermediate user, but professionals instantly and instinctively recognize from her writing and examples the extensive depth of her skill. Every higher-level professional knows this about Zebest.
That's EXACTLY what this person said...word for word. - Mara Zebest: Top Computer Graphic Expert In The Nation Going After Obama.

expert...lol
 
Old 05-30-2012, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Damn. I expected a Bill of Sale from the zombie clinic.
 
Old 05-30-2012, 06:09 AM
 
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I'll just note that this certificate of live birth has almost exactly the same information as Obama's short-form birth certificate. No doctor, no hospital. Remember how so many birthers here were convinced (and still are) that Obama's short form was fraudulent because it didn't have the name of the hospital and doctor on it?
 
Old 05-30-2012, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I'll just note that this certificate of live birth has almost exactly the same information as Obama's short-form birth certificate. No doctor, no hospital. Remember how so many birthers here were convinced (and still are) that Obama's short form was fraudulent because it didn't have the name of the hospital and doctor on it?
LOL... alas... it's a short form, almost exactly like what Obama released on June 13, 2008. The only significant difference is that Obama also allowed independent reporters to handle the paper original and photograph it during their investigation.
 
Old 05-30-2012, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas View Post
This piece on Romney and his old man is pure propaganda, and part and parcel of the way you people are so easily led by your noses. Have you no common sense at all?

George Romney's circumstance being born in Mexico, with both his parents being US citizens has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama and his situation of being the product of his Kenyan born father who was by law, a British subject at the time of Barack's birth. Being a British subject, that automatically made Obama senior's son, Barack Obama, a British subject under British law, regardless of where he was born. That's the key issue ... not whether Barack was or was not born in Hawaii. That argument is a red herring diversion for the dim bulbs.

Fact #1 - Obama senior was a British subject at the time of Barack's birth. Under British law, that automatically made Barack a British subject too. The question remains, can a British subject possibly be confused with being a natural born US citizen, eligible to be President of the United States? The answer is absolutely not.

Our founding fathers fought the revolutionary war against the British empire to free us from British rule. They drafted the constitution, and made specific and exclusive reference to "Natural Born Citizen" as one of the criteria for eligibility to be President of that new United States of America, so as to preclude a foreign agent from taking the highest office. But that criteria also states that the president not only must be a "natural born citizen" but also stipulates that he must owe no allegiance to a foreign power. Clearly, being a British subject violates that criteria too!

So the idea that the founding fathers would consider a BRITISH subject as meeting the eligibility requirements they stipulated is BEYOND ABSURD.
Do you not recognize sarcasm when you see it? On the face of it, Romney's BC has some of the same "flaws" as Obama's. Some of these have been pointed out by various posters, e.g. delay in registering the birth, no hospital named (hint: it doesn't matter); no doctor named (ditto), no "seal"; computer generated copy, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!
 
Old 05-30-2012, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Zabest is a expert.
In what? Most people are an expert in something. But that doesn't prepare you to comment on anything else.

Zebest was (at one time) an expert user of now obsolete versions of Adobe Photoshop. She has exactly zero experience in digital image forensics, and has demonstrated hopeless incompetence when pretending otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Lawyer Disciple
Zebeth has co-authored no less than 17 books on the subject of advanced computer graphics, at least one of which sit on the shelves of virtually every advanced photoshop user in every English-speaking country.
Nonsense.

She is a co-author of only three books. None is less than ten years old. None sit on the shelves of anybody who's using a version of Photoshop released after October 2003.

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Originally Posted by Lawyer Disciple
She writes for the beginner and intermediate user, but professionals instantly and instinctively recognize from her writing and examples the extensive depth of her skill. Every higher-level professional knows this about Zebest.
Wrong tense... she "wrote" long ago for this audience, but today she writes pretty much only for Birthers.
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