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Horrible reasoning to vote Romney, or for any candidate for that matter. Some people really just don't get that these elections have some importance and should actually be taken seriously. It's a shame how many voters are just like you.
So what do you think we should do, just not vote? If you think most of us do not take the election seriously I would say you are dead wrong. Of course we do, that is why many are rallying around the candidate they we feel is the best. He may not be our choice, but he has more to offer, in my opinion than any other candidate..Does this sound like we are not taking this seriously?
First let me say that the video is at best a distortion.
But even if I accepted this video as gospel, Romney is vastly better than Obama and I will happily and enthusiastically support/work for/vote for Mitt Romney.
One thing for sure if you don't like what Romney is spouting today he will soon change it and no matter which side you are on you can count on Romney to side with you at least part-time.
Here's what Perry had to say about the stability of Romney.
So what do you think we should do, just not vote? If you think most of us do not take the election seriously I would say you are dead wrong. Of course we do, that is why many are rallying around the candidate they we feel is the best. He may not be our choice, but he has more to offer, in my opinion than any other candidate..Does this sound like we are not taking this seriously?
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Honestly, yeah, I'd rather you just not vote if you think voting in pretty much the same guy but with a penchant for legislating personal morality is really a good move for America's future.
Honestly, yeah, I'd rather you just not vote if you think voting in pretty much the same guy but with a penchant for legislating personal morality is really a good move for America's future.
so you still think because we may not be overly thrilled with the choices, we do not take the election seriously? I don't understand how you can feel that way, but if you do, so be it. I am not one that said I saw no difference in the candidates, what some of us are saying, Romney wasn't our first choice. Have you been voting long enough to have had your 1st choice not the final candidate? I certainly have. In fact probably more times than not.
Honestly, yeah, I'd rather you just not vote if you think voting in pretty much the same guy but with a penchant for legislating personal morality is really a good move for America's future.
So, you're gay or in favor of gay marriage.
You mentioned voting requirements before. One good requirement would be to preclude single issue voters like you from voting.
Honestly, yeah, I'd rather you just not vote if you think voting in pretty much the same guy but with a penchant for legislating personal morality is really a good move for America's future.
Horrible reasoning to vote Romney, or for any candidate for that matter. Some people really just don't get that these elections have some importance and should actually be taken seriously. It's a shame how many voters are just like you.
These elections do have importance and should be taken seriously...which is why people should not vote for Obama. Do you feel, since you support Obama and you can't understand why anyone wouldn't, that everyone who doesn't agree with you just "doesn't get it"? (BTW - less than half of Americans approve of how Obama is handling his job and less than half of Americans feel he deserves to be re-elected, so you are in the minority here.)
Please tell me what Godofthunder said that's wrong. The economy IS worse than when Obama was elected. Sure, the recession wasn't his fault and things were still going downhill during the first 1 1/2 years of his term, but that's 1 1/2 years where it could be argued that he should have been focused on the economy rather than on his healthcare plan that no one likes. For the past two years, we've had - as an average of all the months - just enough jobs created to keep up with population growth, not enough to even begin to keep up with population growth plus make up for all the jobs lost during the recession. UE would be over 11% without all the labor force dropouts over the past few years, and close to 11% even when you consider baby boomers starting to retire in larger numbers. So - looking at the jobs situation - it stopped getting worse but it has not really gotten better. And, look at the past two months, nowhere close to enough jobs to keep up with population growth. So it looks like, at least over the past two months, the job situation has actually become worse. GDP growth is nowhere near where it should be. If you want to call this a recovery, it's the worst recovery from any post WWII-recession. The debt situation is certainly far worse than when Obama was elected.
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The irony is so thick and yet it's so invisible. There should probably be some form of qualifications to vote.
Like a high school diploma perhaps? That would make it harder for Democrats to win, given that high school dropouts favor Democrats over Republicans. I will concede that, if you made the qualification a college degree, it would make it easier for Democrats to win - but only because of those with postgraduate education. People with Bachelor's degrees and only Bachelor's degrees - the most educated large group of Americans - are more consistently Republican voters than any other group.
Like not being on welfare perhaps? That would make it harder for Democrats to win, given that those on welfare favor Democrats over Republicans.
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Honestly, yeah, I'd rather you just not vote if you think voting in pretty much the same guy but with a penchant for legislating personal morality is really a good move for America's future.
Ummm...Obama and Romney are not the same guy in my opinion. I have a right to vote just as much as everyone else. Sorry that you don't like that. Please tell me - why does your opinion count more than anyone else's?
Romney and Obama are very different on fiscal issues - on taxes and spending and on what they feel the role of government should be, on what they feel the size and scope of government should be. They have fundamentally different beliefs. You all like to say that Obama is a moderate - and, while he has been forced to govern as a moderate to some degree, he is not one. He was ranked as the most liberal senator after all - and many of the proposals he has come up with have been anything but moderate. While I certainly think the right-wingers' accusations that Obama is a marxist, socialist, and communist and the like are laughable, Obama has shown that he is willing to demonize capitalism when he feels it will be politically advantageous (consider his attacks on private equity that even many Democrats find disturbing). On social issues, I actually agree slightly more with Obama than Romney, but I certainly don't agree with Obama on all the social issues and I vote on economic issues - not social ones.
Let's just say for a minute though that Obama and Romney had the exact same stance on every issue. I would still support/vote for Romney. Why? For one, because Obama doesn't deserve to be re-elected and because we should not reward our elected officials with additional terms when they don't deserve it. If our elected officials get the idea that there are no consequences for bad performance, then why should they give a damn about what kind of a job they do? But there is also a very different reason. That's that I'm not just concerned with what a candidate's stances on issues are - I'm also concerned with whether they are qualified. There are any number of scenarios that presidents have to deal with that possible responses to are never mentioned in campaigns and that have nothing to do with ideology. Obama has, IMO, proven that he is unqualified and that he does not necessarily make decisions that are in the best interest of the country. The killing of Bin Laden is a notable exception but I do not trust his judgment in general. I see Romney as having significantly more leadership experience and being a more rational thinker. So, as far as I'm concerned, stances on issues alone are not the only reason to vote for a certain candidate.
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Rand got in with Tea Party support. Mittens isn't Tea Party, another nominee I believe you'd have a stronger point.
The Tea Party will back Romney.
And vehemently. Anytime anyone has a chance to reign in stupid spending, the Tea Party will come out in full force. They will not sit this one out.
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