And Obama wants to have a dialog with this monster! (Condoleezza Rice, voting)
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What? We voted for the Mullahs? When did this happen?
Not exactly.
You see, Iran HAD a democratically elected President that the United States OVERTHREW because that President wanted to nationalize the oil companies. We installed a US-friendly dictator/monarch in his place.
The Mullahs were able to galvanize support against the Shah, and use hatred for what the US did to draw up support for the Islamic Revolution that they otherwise wouldn't have had, since Iran was actually a fairly progressive, modern state.
So, No US meddling in Iran ---> No Islamic Revolution ---> no Ahmedinejad, no Mullah control of Iran..
You see, Iran HAD a democratically elected President that the United States OVERTHREW because that President wanted to nationalize the oil companies. We installed a US-friendly dictator/monarch in his place.
The Mullahs were able to galvanize support against the Shah, and use hatred for what the US did to draw up support for the Islamic Revolution that they otherwise wouldn't have had, since Iran was actually a fairly progressive, modern state.
So, No US meddling in Iran ---> No Islamic Revolution ---> no Ahmedinejad, no Mullah control of Iran..
When was that? 1953? That meddling gave your grandfather a steady supply of oil.
And you're going to need it in coming years, too.
So -- get ready for some meddling of your own. Or start rubbing sticks together.
When was that? 1953? That meddling gave your grandfather a steady supply of oil.
And you're going to need it in coming years, too.
So -- get ready for some meddling of your own. Or start rubbing sticks together.
Civilization isn't cheap. Or clean.
Oh spare me.
I don't care if my oil comes from private companies or a nationalized oil country (like Saudi Arabia or Mexico). For the life of me I don't understand how anyone could equate what we did in Iran with guaranteeing a steady supply of oil. How much, exactly, of our oil came from Iran then and comes from Iran today? Yeah. That's what I thought.
And I've already gone on record as saying the trillions spent by this country to "secure oil" is a bad thing. As if "oil" is the only potential fuel, EVER.
Stop making excuses for interventionism for private profits. Like the United Fruit Company in Latin America, NOBODY except the shareholders of whatever company your tax dollars are subsidizing the profits of benefit from "securing resources" through force!
If the middle east didn't have oil, we wouldn't know the name of 1/4 of the whole region, and the 1/4 we did know the name of, that would be about it. We have no interest there outside of oil.
Soon we will be playing with Russia though, and we won't be strong enough to impose our will on them. If we don't get our collective head out of our a$$ and develop alternative energy sources, we will be playing second fiddle to Russia in 10-15 years.
If the middle east didn't have oil, we wouldn't know the name of 1/4 of the whole region, and the 1/4 we did know the name of, that would be about it. We have no interest there outside of oil.
Soon we will be playing with Russia though, and we won't be strong enough to impose our will on them. If we don't get our collective head out of our a$$ and develop alternative energy sources, we will be playing second fiddle to Russia in 10-15 years.
Aint that the truth! But for some reason, nobody seems to understand that the only way we're ever going to "defeat the terrorists" is to sever our ties and dependence on that region.
I'm afraid it's not going to happen so long as "oil men" control the government!
When was that? 1953? That meddling gave your grandfather a steady supply of oil.
And you're going to need it in coming years, too.
So -- get ready for some meddling of your own. Or start rubbing sticks together.
Civilization isn't cheap. Or clean.
That's a very cold and horrible thing to say. I guess it's okay for us to place people in other countries under the tyranny we say we abhor as long as it keeps those gas prices down. Manifest Destiny?
If the middle east didn't have oil, we wouldn't know the name of 1/4 of the whole region, and the 1/4 we did know the name of, that would be about it. We have no interest there outside of oil.
Soon we will be playing with Russia though, and we won't be strong enough to impose our will on them. If we don't get our collective head out of our a$$ and develop alternative energy sources, we will be playing second fiddle to Russia in 10-15 years.
You are completely right Putin screwed up when he tossed Shell oil out this past spring. Russia's oil technology is antiquited at best although improving
I always thought that when you paid for something you were buying it and that when you took something by force you were stealing. I have observed that in our international oil dealings the difference between buying and stealing has become a little blurred.
So you are saying we should bomb them? We should not even try talking to them first?
Yes, bomb their military sites back into the Stone Age. At the very least we need to take out their military installations, Nuke development sites, etc.
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Originally Posted by bily4
And if we bomb them, wouldn't that most likely kill some gays? Which as the OP points out, is absurd....and then if they are killed unjustly, would they then be given salvation by a forgiving god? Or since they are Muslim, do they get 40 male virgins instead? My head aches...
It's 70 virgins, but they have to kill a bunch of innocent Christians and Jews first, before they get the 70 virgins.
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Originally Posted by Yeledaf
Maybe Congress is on the right track....
"Washington (AP) Congress signaled its disapproval of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with a vote Tuesday (397-16) to tighten sanctions against his government and a call to designate his army a terrorist group."
Who were the 16 who voted against it? Let me guess.... Pelosi, Jack Murtha, etc etc. The usual suspects... the gool 'ol anti-American bunch.
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Originally Posted by TriMT7
FYI, no matter what, the guy isn't a "Dictator"... he's a more or less powerless figurehead elected by the people of Iran. The real power in Iran lies in the Mullahs.
... and we have only OURSELVES to blame for THAT!
PS: No need to remind us that you don't think gays have "salvation." We're well aware of the American Christian version of God and heaven and who apparently gets to go where when they die.
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Originally Posted by tnbound2day
Please don't take his stance as a blanket for all Christians. My beliefs are not the same, and it really is painful being lumped together and stereotyped with other Christians who have a more extreme view.
Really? Maybe then the BIBLE is "extreme", as you call it.
Check out Galatians 5:19 and Romans 1:26-27... and have a nice drink of Kool-aid. Refreshing, ain't it?!
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Originally Posted by bigchuckie
You are completely right Putin screwed up when he tossed Shell oil out this past spring. Russia's oil technology is antiquited at best although improving
RussiaAnd to think we could be 100% independent from foreign oil completely for AT LEAST 30 YEARS if we could defeat the Democrat's filabuster in the Senate and drill in ANWAR. >_<
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