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Old 09-03-2012, 09:33 AM
 
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The western democracies are failing under the weight of obama style socialism; do they see Romney/Ryan as global economic saviors?


US election 2012: Obama won my support – but it won’t happen again
Both British and US interests would be best served by a victory for Mitt Romney

US election 2012: Obama won my support – but it won’t happen again - Telegraph

It was largely on these grounds that I supported Mr Obama four years ago. I was distressed by the Republican Party’s abandonment of free markets for crony capitalism. I thought that Mr Obama’s election would wipe away the stain of segregation. And, frankly, I enjoyed his speeches

Four years on, the speeches are starting to grate. Americans are tiring of their leader’s charm, much as we tired of Tony Blair’s. When demanding a trillion-dollar stimulus package at the start of his term, Mr Obama promised that it would bring unemployment down to below 5.6 per cent; today, the figure stands at 8.3 per cent. He pledged, in that slightly millenarian manner of his, to halve the deficit. Four years on, the deficit has fallen from $1.3 trillion to, er, $1.2 trillion. America’s credit rating has been downgraded as $5 trillion has been added to the national debt.

From a British point of view, the choice should be straightforward. Mr Obama made clear in his book, Dreams From My Father, that he had a low opinion of us, and has acted accordingly, removing Winston Churchill’s bust from the Oval Office, backing Argentina’s demands for sovereignty talks over the Falklands, raging at an imaginary company called “British Petroleum” during the Gulf oil spill. Mr Romney, by contrast, is an old-fashioned Republican when it comes to foreign policy: he knows who America’s friends are.
There is, though, a much stronger reason for wanting him to win. Focused as we are on what the Chancellor calls the “chilling effect” of the euro crisis, we rarely consider the possibility of a similar crisis in the United States. Yet, if we employ the measure used to calculate the Maastricht criteria, the US has a larger national debt than Greece’s. And whereas a Greek default might be managed as a controlled explosion, a collapse in the US would blow the world economy to splinters.
Whether Mitt Romney can eliminate the deficit is not clear. What is beyond doubt, though, is that Mr Obama cannot. His four years have left America poorer, less happy and less free. As Clint Eastwood told Republican delegates: “Politicians are employees of ours – and if somebody does not do the job, we gotta let ’em go.”
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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Oh, the Telegraph (aka the Torygraph) doesn't like Obama? Big deal. The Torygraph only likes the very, very rich, so naturally they would prefer the Mittster. However - oddly enough - many bigwig Tories just hate him: David Cameron, Boris Johnson.
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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It might be helpful to watch this to understand the differences between British papers and why the Telegraph might not represent "British interests"


Who reads the papers? - Yes, Prime Minister - BBC comedy - YouTube
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Old 09-03-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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"angry Tea Partiers in 18th-century fancy dress"

I was reading the Republican platform the other day, and on page 65, note 7, it says that if Romney wins, he'll make Ben Bernanke and Bernie Sanders wear short pants, silk stockings, buckled shoes and white wigs. Pelosi has to wear a corset and a long dress, but she gets a fan and a beauty mark.
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:10 PM
 
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* Since when does an obstructionist repub congress have nothing to do with the last four years?
* How has Obama himself downgraded the U.S. credit rating without the help of congress?
* How is returning to repub policies of the 2008 crash going to be better?
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:13 PM
 
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But would Romney cure right wing socialism that we have seen in recent years? You know, tax breaks for the rich, the govt military industrial complex, strip clubs....

If not, no different than the Dems....just different groups somewhat
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Old 09-04-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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The western democracies are failing under the weight of obama style socialism; do they see Romney/Ryan as global economic saviors?


US election 2012: Obama won my support – but it won’t happen again
Both British and US interests would be best served by a victory for Mitt Romney

US election 2012: Obama won my support – but it won’t happen again - Telegraph

It was largely on these grounds that I supported Mr Obama four years ago. I was distressed by the Republican Party’s abandonment of free markets for crony capitalism. I thought that Mr Obama’s election would wipe away the stain of segregation. And, frankly, I enjoyed his speeches

Four years on, the speeches are starting to grate. Americans are tiring of their leader’s charm, much as we tired of Tony Blair’s. When demanding a trillion-dollar stimulus package at the start of his term, Mr Obama promised that it would bring unemployment down to below 5.6 per cent; today, the figure stands at 8.3 per cent. He pledged, in that slightly millenarian manner of his, to halve the deficit. Four years on, the deficit has fallen from $1.3 trillion to, er, $1.2 trillion. America’s credit rating has been downgraded as $5 trillion has been added to the national debt.

From a British point of view, the choice should be straightforward. Mr Obama made clear in his book, Dreams From My Father, that he had a low opinion of us, and has acted accordingly, removing Winston Churchill’s bust from the Oval Office, backing Argentina’s demands for sovereignty talks over the Falklands, raging at an imaginary company called “British Petroleum” during the Gulf oil spill. Mr Romney, by contrast, is an old-fashioned Republican when it comes to foreign policy: he knows who America’s friends are.
There is, though, a much stronger reason for wanting him to win. Focused as we are on what the Chancellor calls the “chilling effect” of the euro crisis, we rarely consider the possibility of a similar crisis in the United States. Yet, if we employ the measure used to calculate the Maastricht criteria, the US has a larger national debt than Greece’s. And whereas a Greek default might be managed as a controlled explosion, a collapse in the US would blow the world economy to splinters.
Whether Mitt Romney can eliminate the deficit is not clear. What is beyond doubt, though, is that Mr Obama cannot. His four years have left America poorer, less happy and less free. As Clint Eastwood told Republican delegates: “Politicians are employees of ours – and if somebody does not do the job, we gotta let ’em go.”

Of course! All one needs to know is that the enemies of America support Obama. Think about that issue, liberals, when pulling the lever for Bo. Russia, China, North Korea, Muslim extremists and Venezuala are FOR OBAMA.
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:46 PM
 
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"Think about that issue, liberals, when pulling the lever for Bo."

I can vote for Bo Obama?? Though I'm sure if Seamus Romney was still around, he would be Bo's campaign manager.

Mittford J. Romney IV will ALWAYS be "Mitt the Twit" for the Brits. For his sake, I hope he never gets elected President.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Of course! All one needs to know is that the enemies of America support Obama. Think about that issue, liberals, when pulling the lever for Bo. Russia, China, North Korea, Muslim extremists and Venezuala are FOR OBAMA.
Fox has used this stupid rationale before, and only fools or fascist partisans believe it.
Obama is destroying the Muslim extremist network, including Bin Laden.
Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns killing of bin Laden - Jihad Watch

Of course you don't know this if listening to Fox "News". This probably explains your views.
Fox News Viewers Uninformed, NPR Listeners Not, Poll Suggests - Forbes

But this is real - the international corporate oligarchs are for Romney, with good reason. He will gladly join with corporate fascists the world over.
Romney Party Yacht Flies Cayman Islands Flag - ABC News

The American corporate work force is now in Red China (for one) - now the repubs best friend.
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Old 09-05-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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Of course! All one needs to know is that the enemies of America support Obama. Think about that issue, liberals, when pulling the lever for Bo. Russia, China, North Korea, Muslim extremists and Venezuala are FOR OBAMA.
Still trying to scrape off the glue from that "Osama would want Obama" bumper sticker, eh?
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