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Old 09-27-2012, 07:00 PM
 
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Obama-49%

Romney-42%

Obama leads Romney 49-42 percent in latest Reuters/Ipsos survey | Reuters

Another day, another poll showing Obama leading. This is getting boring. I really expected Romney to put up more of a fight, but now that I've seen the disaster that is his campaign, I don't know why..
Yes, an online survey that has yet to release results of how many self-identified 2008 Obama voters there were in the sample.

 
Old 09-27-2012, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Yes, an online survey that has yet to release results of how many self-identified 2008 Obama voters there were in the sample.
Who cares, as long as sample is random.

But don't you notice a pattern? All the polls being release point to Obama leading by 9-10%. But, of course, that doesn't mean anything to reality deniers.
 
Old 09-27-2012, 08:09 PM
 
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Who cares, as long as sample is random.
Anyone should care if it is clearly a poor sample. Obama won in 2008 by 7% -- if the poll has the people sampled having voted for Obama in 2008 by 15% -- then that poll clearly did not have a good sample.


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But don't you notice a pattern?
Yes, Obama is ahead, I do believe this.


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All the polls being release point to Obama leading by 9-10%.
I think that you are denying reality. All of the polls have Obama anywhere from TIED to up to 7% ahead per RCP.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama


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But, of course, that doesn't mean anything to reality deniers.
Do you see any irony? The only fact that you posted was FALSE and you ignore the facts that I posted. You are the denier.
 
Old 09-27-2012, 08:30 PM
 
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Oh no, then followed by 8 years of Hillary!!
Bob, Hillary was my favorite Democrat in the 2008 primary. (Of course, that's sort of like being the world's tallest midget.) But we'd have been in much better shape with a person who actually had some pertinent experience.
 
Old 09-27-2012, 08:37 PM
 
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Bob, Hillary was my favorite Democrat in the 2008 primary. (Of course, that's sort of like being the world's tallest midget.) But we'd have been in much better shape with a person who actually had some pertinent experience.
Hillary would have done an alright job even though I don't agree with her on everything. We'd have passed annual budgets and I doubt as much debt. She is a leader.
 
Old 09-27-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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So let me get this straight.

If I keep asking 2000 people who they are going to vote for and 51% tells me Obama, and then I ask what party they Identify with and 40% say Dems, and 30 say republicans, I should throw out 10% of the ballots from the democratic pile so that republicans can feel good about their man??

Isnt who they are voting the most important thing?

Kentucky is solidly republican at the presidential level but has more registered democrats. Republicans can't understand that some dems are going to vote for Romney and Some Republicans are going to vote for Obama? All that counts is who gets more, not party ID.
 
Old 09-27-2012, 09:46 PM
 
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No love for Republicans even from Fox News? Obama up 5 and outside MOE on their poll today. This poll shows what every other one shows: Romney leads in only 1 area - the deficit. In every other area from likability to who is better to handle the economy to terrorism to foreign policy, Obama tops Roms.
 
Old 09-27-2012, 09:48 PM
 
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So let me get this straight.

If I keep asking 2000 people who they are going to vote for and 51% tells me Obama, and then I ask what party they Identify with and 40% say Dems, and 30 say republicans, I should throw out 10% of the ballots from the democratic pile so that republicans can feel good about their man??

Isnt who they are voting the most important thing?

Kentucky is solidly republican at the presidential level but has more registered democrats. Republicans can't understand that some dems are going to vote for Romney and Some Republicans are going to vote for Obama? All that counts is who gets more, not party ID.
People don't understand the concept of random sample. Maybe more Dems answer the phone. Whatever, they don't cull responses to get a certain party percentage. That would not be a scientific sample. The whole premise under which the Reps are objecting is just plain ignorance about polling practices. Romney is getting creamed at this point and that is all there is to it
 
Old 09-27-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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While not technically an opinion poll the first day of actual polling occurred in Iowa today. The result in Polk county was 5x the 2008 turnout...and heavily Democratic as Democrats outvoted Republicans by a margin of greater then 4:1.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/d...nclick_check=1
 
Old 09-28-2012, 04:51 AM
 
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So let me get this straight.

If I keep asking 2000 people who they are going to vote for and 51% tells me Obama, and then I ask what party they Identify with and 40% say Dems, and 30 say republicans, I should throw out 10% of the ballots from the democratic pile so that republicans can feel good about their man??

Isnt who they are voting the most important thing?

Kentucky is solidly republican at the presidential level but has more registered democrats. Republicans can't understand that some dems are going to vote for Romney and Some Republicans are going to vote for Obama? All that counts is who gets more, not party ID.
What about when you ask who you voted for in 2008 and Obama gets +15%, not the 7% he won by, seems like the poll is skewed?
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