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Old 10-27-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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Since Obama is so loved? I remember earlier the Dems saying they were going to win Arizona. Why isn't Obama campaigning there? Likewise in Missouri,where McCain won by only about 3,000 votes. Shouldn't a beloved president like Obama be able to expand the electoral map?
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:33 PM
 
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If McCain could take them then Romney has an even better opportunity in them.

The Obama campaign knows that Romney is more supported than McCain was.
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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The answers are pretty simple. Arizona will most likely go for Obama. He has been ahead there ever since the Gabby Giffords shooting. After 2 years of Republican nonsense, Anglo Arizona voters are tired of being governed by wing-nuts, and the Hispanics don't exactly love the way their friends and relatives have been treated there. The Democratic ground game is massive there.

Missouri has been in the Romney camp since the first. It hasn't swayed at all.

Ask yourself why Romney hasn't been spending time in California or Washington. Both states have lots and lots of conservatives. You need a look at the electoral map, not the map of the states; at this late stage, electors are the ones who count the most. That's why both candidates are concentrating on the big swing states.
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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The answers are pretty simple. Arizona will most likely go for Obama. He has been ahead there ever since the Gabby Giffords shooting. After 2 years of Republican nonsense, Anglo Arizona voters are tired of being governed by wing-nuts, and the Hispanics don't exactly love the way their friends and relatives have been treated there. The Democratic ground game is massive there.

Missouri has been in the Romney camp since the first. It hasn't swayed at all.

Ask yourself why Romney hasn't been spending time in California or Washington. Both states have lots and lots of conservatives. You need a look at the electoral map, not the map of the states; at this late stage, electors are the ones who count the most. That's why both candidates are concentrating on the big swing states.
California hasn't voted Republican in the presidential election since 1988. No reason for a Republican to even bother visiting the state, quite frankly.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:36 PM
 
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The answers are pretty simple. Arizona will most likely go for Obama. He has been ahead there ever since the Gabby Giffords shooting. After 2 years of Republican nonsense, Anglo Arizona voters are tired of being governed by wing-nuts, and the Hispanics don't exactly love the way their friends and relatives have been treated there. The Democratic ground game is massive there.

Missouri has been in the Romney camp since the first. It hasn't swayed at all.

Ask yourself why Romney hasn't been spending time in California or Washington. Both states have lots and lots of conservatives. You need a look at the electoral map, not the map of the states; at this late stage, electors are the ones who count the most. That's why both candidates are concentrating on the big swing states.

Are you on drugs? Obama is not even competitive in Arizona. That is my point. Why isn't he campaigning there? How many presidents actually lose more electorals from their first election.
I'd also add it's interesting that Indiana,a state Obama won in 08,is not in play for him. At all. A state that is manufacturing based and with auto plants.
BTW,Obama also almost won Montana and North Dakota,losing by only about 2 pts in each. Odd he has no chance there either.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:48 PM
 
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Are you on drugs? Obama is not even competitive in Arizona. That is my point. Why isn't he campaigning there? How many presidents actually lose more electorals from their first election.
I'd also add it's interesting that Indiana,a state Obama won in 08,is not in play for him. At all. A state that is manufacturing based and with auto plants.
BTW,Obama also almost won Montana and North Dakota,losing by only about 2 pts in each. Odd he has no chance there either.
2008 was a "perfect storm". We had a disgraced incumbent potus, a collapsing Wall Street/economy. That's the main reason why Indiana went for a Dem for the first time since 1964. So did Virginia for that matter, but Virginia has more educated ppl that have infiltrated the No Virginia area. It's mostly demographics is my best guess. Ariz may be ripe to contest in the next Pres election (2016).
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:03 PM
 
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2008 was a "perfect storm". We had a disgraced incumbent potus, a collapsing Wall Street/economy. That's the main reason why Indiana went for a Dem for the first time since 1964. So did Virginia for that matter, but Virginia has more educated ppl that have infiltrated the No Virginia area. It's mostly demographics is my best guess. Ariz may be ripe to contest in the next Pres election (2016).
Lol,more educated people. The pathetic Obamaphone woman in Cleveland is the face of the Obamans.
As for Arizona I was talking about 2012. You have no answer,do you?
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:42 PM
 
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Lol,more educated people. The pathetic Obamaphone woman in Cleveland is the face of the Obamans.
As for Arizona I was talking about 2012. You have no answer,do you?
why waste $$ on ariz? With the onslaught of corporate $$ that the Repubs have and limited $$ on the Dem side, why spend it on a state that's iffy and not as great return on investment? It'd be downright foolish to spend $$ on ariz this time around. Swing states are what counts thanks to the electoral college.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:47 PM
 
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2012 is tougher for an incumbent than 2008. Given the economy, it is not that surprising. Plenty of folks like Obama, but it is not at all a slam dunk this time around.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:50 PM
 
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2012 is tougher for an incumbent than 2008. Given the economy, it is not that surprising. Plenty of folks like Obama, but it is not at all a slam dunk this time around.
I'd say being down 51-46 in Gallup means it is not a slam dunk.
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