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Very amusing that the OP equates Romney to that quote no matter who's ideology it really was. Romney has one agenda and that is to speed up the race to PLUTOCRACY. Everything from increased military spending to privatizing social programs is to enrich Wall Street and the 1%. Romney is owned by the largest donors that have supported his campaign. His VP pick has been shown to be the biggest hypocrite concerning government programs that he has personally benefitted from. Who believes that Lincoln would have hid his money offshore so that it didn't find its way back into the economy of the USA or would have quoted Ayn Rand?
Comparing Romney to Lincoln is outrageously stupid and that is an understatement!
The quote is more showing what NOT to do, which is exactly what Obama IS doing. Romney has the opposite approach.
Romney and Obama are not the same at all in their approach. Unemployment has soared under Obama. People aren't working. That is what you have to fix, and obviously Obama doesn't know how or he would have already done it.
Unemployment soared due to Bush's policies you dolt
Unemployment is so bad because it's come to the point where many Americans are reliant on working as cashiers and at the same time, large corporations are eliminating those positions through capital improvements.
You're underlying knowledge of the effects of the Bush policies is pretty evident if you're blaming unemployment on Obama....
Also, Romney is promising the same thing but with lower taxation and through that, a higher budget deficit to start with... You know, unless the FY 2013 budget decreases the deficit... Which it does. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...13bs1n#usgs302
Inform yoself...
Like other Romney voters, your choice is based entirely on misinformation.
Not quite, when one considers the details. It is true that the OP was foolishly gullible to believe the attribution, presumably in part simply because it was printed with a rather ridiculously Disney-esque image of Lincoln, and in part because it seemed to provide simplistic, easily understood, sloganized confirmation of her own views and prejudices.
But if Snopes is correct that the true author of these maxims was The Rev. W. J. H. Boetcker, then in a sense the OP is on to something real. Boetcker, in his career and writings, embodied a great deal that goes to define the modern tea-ridden GOP.
He was ordained a Presbyterian minister in murky circumstances almost immediately after his arrival in the United States from his native Hamburg; given that, like most of the population of northern Germany, he was probably raised as a Lutheran, his rapid conversion and ordination in what was for him a foreign religion is rather suspect. But he soon proved to have a gift for the sort of fast-talking, glib, millenarian "old time religion" which at that time was the stock in trade of itinerant tent-revival preachers and today is the unmistakable hallmark of the huckster TV evangelist.
His populist eloquence soon attracted the attention of financial and industrial interests, keen to defend their excesses from the rising tide of organized labor and Progressive reform in the early years of the 20th century. His maxims, which the OP has mis-attributed, appear to have been published, originally as a propaganda leaflet entitled The Ten Cannots, by an organization called the Citizens Industrial Alliance, a pro-capitalist rightwing organization which was a forerunner of "Super-PACs" such as Restore Our Future. That the "Rev" Boetcker also happened to be a director of this organization is no coincidence.
Like the Birther misinformation campaign and other favorite shibboleths of the modern right wing, Boetcker's like screed was recycled again and again by right-wing organizations in subsequent decades, until finally being mis-attributed to Lincoln in a leaflet published by a mysterious right-wing group called the Committee for Constitutional Government, one of whose founders, the tycoon Frank Gannett, is better known as the founder of the well-known media conglomerate which bears his name, while another, Amos Pinchot, helped found the isolationist pro-Nazi America First Committee.
So, as much as the OP was embarrassingly wrong in her attribution, she unwittingly was correct in connecting these "sayings" to a long-standing network which drew on a combination of populist religion, big-money vested interests, and extremist right-wing politics - very much then, as now, a familiar landscape to an observer of the American Right.
Romney and Obama are not the same at all in their approach. Unemployment has soared under Obama. People aren't working. That is what you have to fix, and obviously Obama doesn't know how or he would have already done it.
Yep. Obama is the same as Bush, and Romney is Bush in overdrive. What have Obama/Bush corporate policy done for America? Record-high profits! What would Romney do? Even higher profits.
What has the Obama/Bush policy done for Americans? Record-high unemployment. What would Romney do? Even higher unemployment.
Yep. Obama is the same as Bush, and Romney is Bush in overdrive. What have Obama/Bush corporate policy done for America? Record-high profits! What would Romney do? Even higher profits.
What has the Obama/Bush policy done for Americans? Record-high unemployment. What would Romney do? Even higher unemployment.
Bush appointed John Roberts and Samuel Alito. Obama appointed Sonia Sotomayo and Elena Kagan.
I'd say that's a big difference.
I'd also say that Obama and Romney's views on the social safety net and taxes are widely apart.
The quote is more showing what NOT to do, which is exactly what Obama IS doing. Romney has the opposite approach.
You are vague as to what Romney's approach is, but I do not need for you to explain because I already know and understand how bad it is. What is your excuse for not understanding this? What approach are you talking about...specifically.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help little men by tearing down big men. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred....
Seriously, explain how the USA was weakened when the tax rates were higher. Explain how anyone is being "torn down" when the top percent has made record profits and Romney does not even want to close loopholes that actually benefit companies when they move offshore.
Corporate Profits Just Hit An All-Time High, Wages Just Hit An All-Time Low
Sounds like honest Abe would've been a Romney supporter.
Lets await the *******s to spew their whinyass venom all over this thread.....
....and go!
Abe, along with the founders, would have hated what the extremist repub party is today.
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Corporate profits are at record highs, corporate taxes are near-record lows... please explain why this hasn't created the utopia Republicans promised would happen?
We have, for three decades, bought into republican trickle-down, largely continued by Obama, and here we are today - conservatives and their prospering upper class are suddenly unhappy with results their own ideology?
It's not the last four years of Obama, folks.
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-------- It is still a great quote, no matter who said it, and it is TRUE. Everything mentioned in this quote is exactly how Obama goes about things and it doesn't work.
But you just ignore the content and try to deflect by disputing the origin of the quote. It doesn't matter who said it. This thinking is the way Romney thinks, and it's the reason I am voting for Romney. It's exactly the opposite of the way Obama thinks.
Even democrats and liberals agree with such quotes - most Americans probably do regardless of politics. They are in no way Romney. He is in no way a traditional conservative. He is front man for Wall Street along with its extremist political party. He is a vulture capitalist born into wealth, with support structure and business advisors already in place, and he has stayed wealthy. He "harvests" businesses and outsources jobs for profit. He wanted a failed, bankrupt auto industry for Bain Capital to raid - a windfall and a possible lifetime of "harvesting" of a huge industry. This is what Bain does.
And he is a blatant liar. A recent political ad for the low-information suckers accuses Obama of putting the auto industry into bankruptcy of all things. Here's your "honest" candidate at work. Romney Auto Ad Misleads - NYTimes.com
People born into wealth do not live in the same world, but they may have enough imagination and empathy to lead the lower classes. This is not Mitt.
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Unemployment is high, the economy is the worst it's been since the Great Depression. Explain how this is utopia?
Here again the repub congress has nothing to do with anything - just Obama the "CEO" in control of everything, including gas prices and the economy?
* Unemployment rising under repubs and lowering under Obama, even with the repub obstructionist congress. Bush administration losing 700k jobs per month with a crash in 2008 - so let's go back??
* Economy the worst - because of the last 4 years, and it was just rosy before that with republicans??
Are you sure you're not duped by Fox? Just give it a thought.
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Bush appointed John Roberts and Samuel Alito. Obama appointed Sonia Sotomayo and Elena Kagan.
I'd say that's a big difference.
I'd also say that Obama and Romney's views on the social safety net and taxes are widely apart.
I agree with that, but Obama/Bush/Romney are in lockstep w/ how they have or would have handled the economy. That's one area where people are full of ish when they say that Obama is destroying Corp America.
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