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Old 11-01-2012, 05:12 AM
 
Location: North America
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I'm guessing it's normal for politicians to be out of touch or removed from everyday people's lives.
President Obama probably doesn't even know how much a gallon of diesel fuel costs right now, but willard has probably never heard of the stuff, that's how out of touch the man really is.

The thing is, it's an obvious in your face lie that Romney is using to scare the Ohio voters into voting for him. I'm not naive enough to think all political ads are 100% truthful, but this is extreme, even for Romney.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:44 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Yeah, IMO, the so-called "Reagan Democrats" were really sold a bill of goods with all that "Morning in America-feel good" crap, and they actually got hit the hardest by the whole "trickle down", and "we gotta pamper the job creators" mentality that we still see today. Remember that's also when the term street people was invented! And while we may not share the same values, I'd also have to agree that the Democrats have never done such a bang-up job of speaking to you folks either, and have basically just stood round and done nothing, while Rove and Co. courted the conservative blue collar voter. Biden makes an effort now and then, but the only one who really even comes close has been VA Senator Jim Webb.

Problem is though, that the country's changing demographics and the "handwriting on the wall" re: "change" in general, are obviously not favorable to y'all either. So it's like conservative working-class white folks are kinda stuck between the rock and the hard place. Do they stick with the new GOP "girlfriend" who's kinda nutty but at least makes 'em feel comfortable with their values (even though she keeps sleeping more and more with her wealthy boyfriends)? Or do they return to their good old Democratic "ex"... who's since acquired high-falutin' "big city" ideas?!
There's nothing "high-falutin'" about pandering to low-lifes, degenerates, and nut cases bent on turning back the technological clock a thousand years with totalitarian control of all human activity.

The answer to your question is they do neither for the time being....as being single is far preferable to staying in a bad relationship. Someday the majority will regain control, as the path we are on now leads directly to revolution.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:04 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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What exactly would you like the GOP to shift on? Agree that we need wealth distribution? Agree that we need a nanny state? Agree that government creates success and not hard work?
Well, Mitt Romney HAS agreed that HIS government will create success to the tune of 12 million jobs. Of course he always follows up this Romney government goal by saying that government doesn't create jobs.

But as far as shifting, how about a more moderate GOP that ADMITS that government has a central role to play in various aspects of American life, and that the best America is one that successfully BALANCES government and private sectors. Say government SHOULD make sure drugs are safe and regulated and chemicals in children's toys are regulated and that government CAN put policies in place that create jobs, but that we need to maximize the economic power of the private sector while acknowledging the role that government needs to play in the balance. How about less right-wing slamming of how terrible it is to have government and more realistic moderate talk about balance.

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I think you can get the GOP to move on issues like gay marriage,
The current rightwingers who run the party sure don't make it seem so. Mitt Romney in Mass was more moderate on social issues like that, but when seeking the nomination for president, flipped and flopped his positions to match the right wing of the Republican Party. How are you going to get the GOP to move to the center on issues like that when the so-called cream of the Republican crop can't even escape the clutches of the social right wingers?
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Well, Mitt Romney HAS agreed that HIS government will create success to the tune of 12 million jobs. Of course he always follows up this Romney government goal by saying that government doesn't create jobs.

But as far as shifting, how about a more moderate GOP that ADMITS that government has a central role to play in various aspects of American life, and that the best America is one that successfully BALANCES government and private sectors. Say government SHOULD make sure drugs are safe and regulated and chemicals in children's toys are regulated and that government CAN put policies in place that create jobs, but that we need to maximize the economic power of the private sector while acknowledging the role that government needs to play in the balance. How about less right-wing slamming of how terrible it is to have government and more realistic moderate talk about balance.



The current rightwingers who run the party sure don't make it seem so. Mitt Romney in Mass was more moderate on social issues like that, but when seeking the nomination for president, flipped and flopped his positions to match the right wing of the Republican Party. How are you going to get the GOP to move to the center on issues like that when the so-called cream of the Republican crop can't even escape the clutches of the social right wingers?
Social right wingers?

There's nothing right-wing about knowing what a marriage is. The people you're calling social right wingers are simply socially sane.
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