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Old 11-09-2012, 10:14 PM
 
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Obama won because people didn't trust Romney. They didn't even know who he was or what he really stood for. How can you go from being a conservative in the primaries to being a moderate in the general election. You just can't do that.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Obama won because people didn't trust Romney. They didn't even know who he was or what he really stood for. How can you go from being a conservative in the primaries to being a moderate in the general election. You just can't do that.
But who was Obama and what did he stand for (besides being a tax-and-spend liberal)?
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Mountain Home, ID
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Obama himself said he was going to get the employment numbers below 4%. It was one of his promises. But there has NOT been continuous job growth and unemployment dropping. As I said, that is a LIE. Where have jobs been created? Where? And the only reason unemployment has "dropped" is that people GAVE UP AND STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK.

Obamacare is another thing forced down our throats that is going to take us even deeper into debt.
Gosh, do you think the Republicans in Congress actively cockblocking just about everything they could had anything to do with that?
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:31 AM
 
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Yeah right. Obama winning had absolutely nothing to do with the overwhelming media bias in his favor, even more so than 2008. What other outcome would you expect when there are 8x as many negative stories run about Romney as Obama? Most voters are sheep who believe anything they're told, especially if the lies are repeated often enough.
Media bias? i guess compared to the total delusional bs FOX and other right wing media sources were foisting on their viewers/listeners other news sources may seem bias but after the dust has settled those "biased"news sources were much more truthful and factual.
.FOX? hows that Romney landslide thingy working out for you?
As for negative stories about Romney? a brief perusal over the topics on this forum would see mostly negative and hateful topics directed toward President Obama on the order of 50 to 1.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:42 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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I think the most interesting thing is that the Right Wing does not see the problem.

It is very difficult to imagine a President in more trouble than Obama. Classically such a President does not survive. He correctly blamed Bush for much of the problem and could have blamed Clinton and Bush I as well...but we still shoot the sitting President if they don't get things turned around in four years.

He also had limited support from his core. He did get out of Iraq but continued Afghanistan and turned out to be pretty warrior like. Obama likes wielding military power. He likes taken out terrorists...and he is quite willing to throw the might of the US in very questionable ways.

His Obamacare was no great victory. A committee beast that will have to hacked and rebuilt and done over three times before it really works. And the other stuff got tied up in the process.

He got some breaks...definite economic improvement over the years though at a relatively slow rate...the late drop in unemployment....the storm.

But basically a wounded sitting duck to be harvested by the Republican hunter.

Did not happen did it? Repubs could not find a suitable creature acceptable to their vocal minorities. And they ended up with a rich, aristocrtatic phoney who could not carry the day against a badly wounded opponent.

And from here it only gets worse. The economic cycle runs and is starting up. Virtually all economists expect 12 million new jobs over the next four. The present silliness over regulations and Obamacare will go away as the cliff is dealt with.

And come 2016 the Repubs face Hilary or better, a robust economy, very limited war...another couple of points of minority voters.

What are you guys going to do? Move to Texas and secede?
Excellent post.

As a conservative, I am more amazed, baffled, and disappointed every day at what the right-wing partisan mindset has deteriorated to. Unhappy as I am with Obama, Romney would have been much, much worse. And I'm glad that Americans understood that.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:12 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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^^^ Agreed!
But now where can the GOP go from here... without alienating the former Dixiecrats, social conservatives and Tea Partiers who now largely comprise their "base"? And the days are long gone of finding a "Great White Hope" (like Reagan) who could court the blue-collar "Reagan Democrats", while simultaneously wooing the anti-abortion and "states rights" crowd (even though he never actually did anything for any of 'em)!

And lets face it, few of those folks would take kindly to a ''new and improved'' GOP that suddenly begins courting women, minorities and gays! Also as Ivoc points out, how long can they continue this game of simply re-framing every new and positive economic indicator as just another Obama "failure"?! These days they truly seem stuck between the proverbial "rock and a hard place".
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Obama appealed to growing demographics rather than the shrinking one.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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Grew up? More like they have their heads up their butts and don't have a clue what's going on! The economy is going to get worse - companies already laying off in anticipation of Obamacare - and we are going to have terrorists in our streets because they are not afraid of Obama. When it happens, don't say we didn't tell your. Good job, Obama voters! You voted to destroy our country and you're too dumb to realize it.
Or perhaps if conservatives such as yourself wouldn't have ran around spewing this nonsense the last four years, perhaps you would have had a chance.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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Or perhaps if conservatives such as yourself wouldn't have ran around spewing this nonsense the last four years, perhaps you would have had a chance.
Look through the threads and see who has been spewing. It's liberals.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: state of enlightenment
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As long as Pubs keep embracing the right wing extremist anti-evolutionists, anti-abortionists, hate mongers, old paranoid white hicks they're playing to a declining demographic. They need to throw the extremists under the bus and offer more diverse candidates. I would have been happy to vote for Ron Paul but I didn't have that choice. Obama is no JFK but compared to the alternative he sure looks like it.
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