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Old 06-09-2014, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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With every election cycle, more Blue Wall states are being called within 2 minutes of the polls officially closing. That is, of course, due to the overwhelming polling data showing these states (not all 18, but the quick calls) are beyond the realm of swinging.

It also has become obvious red states are going the other way; Ga was not called in 2012 for about an hour, or about 59 minutes longer than years past. That shows polling data which has coincided with Ga becoming the next Va, blue by 2020, at the latest.

I understand why the right-wing diehards wish to shield their eyes, but that doesn't change the bleak outlook for the GOP and the office of the President.
That is because the GOP don't want to realize that they need to shift their image to be more in-line with what voters want rather than worry about a dying off voting block. Stats show that people are set in their ways if they vote for the same party three elections in a row. I would show the link but can't find the exact source. After they vote for Hillary or whoever the Democrat nominee is over the out-of-touch Republican nominee, those who voted Obama twice will be pretty firmly Democrat.
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Old 06-09-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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It's far more a sign of desperation when scam groups like ACORN bus in thousands and thousands of people who have never voted, don't know how to vote, and have to be shown which box to check off. You know..........like 2008, and to a slightly lesser degree, 2012.

It's difficult, if not impossible, for honest, decent people to fight that.
ACORN was long dead by 2012.
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Old 06-09-2014, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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It's still pretty early in the cycle but recent polls have Hillary whomping the heck out of the GOP in almost all the demographics except older while men. Who does the GOP have that will stop the democratic juggernaut from a far bigger win than 2012? No one is standing out as a viable contender at this stage.
So far, absolutely none. The contenders are not very bright and appeal to the growing fringe element of the right wing. Which means, they have zero chance of getting the majority of the electorate.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:26 PM
 
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So far, absolutely none. The contenders are not very bright and appeal to the growing fringe element of the right wing. Which means, they have zero chance of getting the majority of the electorate.
Perhaps they can dig up Ike and run him again. That's about the best they could hope for.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:30 PM
 
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The 19 states blue since 1988 that provide the Dems a starting point of 241 electoral votes. The Red Wall has about 180 EC votes.
Yeah. All of those states are pretty blue. Don't see any of those changing anytime soon.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:34 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Yeah. All of those states are pretty blue. Don't see any of those changing anytime soon.
I agree, as I do not see the GOP giving up the positions that have ticked off the parts of America growing. They are pandering very well to the segments getting smaller every election cycle. There must be a booby prize for holding the Confederacy EC votes while getting nothing else of consequence. Maybe Robert E. Lee sens you a postcard?
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Old 06-10-2014, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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California voted for the GOP in 9 of the 10 POTUS elections from 1952 thru 1988. Since 1992 it has voted for the Democrat 6 straight times, each time by a double digit margin. It's just not the same old California.

From 1952 thru 1984 the GOP carried New York 5 of 9 times. From 1988 to date, they have lost it 7 straight times. The closest it's been since was 16% in 1992 in a 3 way race. Not the same old New York.

Illinois voted for the GOP in 6 straight elections from 1968 thru 1988. It's voted D for 6 straight elections with the 3 way race of 1992 being the only time the Democrat margin was less than double digits. Not the same old Illinois either.

That's just a tip of the iceberg, but they account for 104 EV by themselves. The fact is, there's only about 12-14 states at most that are remotely competitive, and that includes a state like Minnesota which may be slowly trending R, but has voted for the D in every election since 1972.

I think an R win in 2016 is possible, but it's statistically improbable, and unless a couple of blue states can be turned into true swing states, it's going to become more and more unlikely with each passing 4 year cycle, unless the GOP suddenly does a lot better with minorities, or starts doing routinely better with northern whites than they ever have.
and speaking of CA you are proving my point: it hasn't always been blue; the pendulum does swing and will again. Will it be 2016 or 2030, no one knows. My argument isn't so much with the probability of a republican winning as it is with posters that are so patrician they can not admit it is possible. It is more than just a remote chance if Hillary decides not to run. As for doing better with minorities. that goes without saying...It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that. At least you are honest enough to admit anything can happen.
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Old 06-10-2014, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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What is exactly wrong about busing people in to vote? Those people have every right to vote.
But were they all truly eligible to vote, that is the question? Of course everyone has a right to vote, as long as they are registered and a legal citizen.
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Old 06-10-2014, 04:55 AM
 
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Perhaps they can dig up Ike and run him again. That's about the best they could hope for.
Ike would be considered a RINO. He wouldn't stand a chance in the Republican primaries considering he supported big government projects like building the interstate highway system.
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Old 06-10-2014, 05:01 AM
 
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Jeb Bush is the one that might actually win the Presidency. He's not the one I'd want, but he may be what we get.
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