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Old 06-17-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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Actually, all you succeeded in doing was admitting that you are incapable of comprehending the facts.

Facts are facts. And here they are: European countries' tax systems are much more regressive than those in the U.S. system. The tax burden in European countries is disproportionately placed on the lower and middle classes:
Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post

More info on that, here:
The liberal case for regressive taxation - Salon.com
I never said that European countries tax systems weren't regressive. But I'll take a page out of your book. Post where I said that.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:27 PM
 
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Not sure what thread you're reading, because if you're referring to this thread, then either you don't speak English, or your comprehension skills are sorely lacking.
LMAO keep trying, I'm embarrassed for you.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:30 PM
 
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All I succeeded in getting you to admit that regressive tax systems don't necessarily mean that lower and middle-class citizens pay higher tax rates than the rich.

Regressive taxes do impact lower wage earners more than they do higher wage earners.

But no country, not even in Europe, has a solely regressive tax system. Their tax systems combine regressive and progressive taxes. When the progressive taxes are high enough, the rich pay higher tax rates.

That's a fact. And I wanted it on this thread.

Thank you!
No you didn't. You looked like a fool on this thread because you can't back up your posts with facts, so instead you try to say it's about something else. Keep posting I can use a laugh.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:12 AM
 
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All I succeeded in getting you to admit that regressive tax systems don't necessarily mean that lower and middle-class citizens pay higher tax rates than the rich.
Actually, I posted proof that it does.

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But no country, not even in Europe, has a solely regressive tax system.
I just posted proof that the U.K. does in fact have a solely regressive tax system. To recap...

In this chart, the total effective tax rate in the U.K. is represented by the blue line. Look at which income group is paying the highest total effective tax rate. It ISN'T the rich:

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Documents/IFS4.jpg

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"The message from this data is unambiguous: the poorest 20% of households in the UK have both the highest overall tax burden of any quintile and the highest VAT burden."
Tax Research UK » Why VAT is regressive

A tax system in which the poorest 20% of households pay the highest overall tax rate IS, in fact, a regressive tax system.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:15 AM
 
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I never said that European countries tax systems weren't regressive.
Finally, you admit that they are regressive. Perhaps U.K.'s data helped you understand?

Again, the bottom 20% in the U.K. pay the highest total effective tax rate.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:18 AM
 
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Finally, you admit that they are regressive. Perhaps U.K.'s data helped you understand?

Again, the bottom 20% in the U.K. pay the highest total effective tax rate.
Can't prove that i ever denied they were regressive, so you are going to pretend it, huh?

Sneaky and dishonest.

BUT UK's tax system is not SOLELY regressive. Please look up SOLELY, it's a good thing to expand your vocabulary.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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No you didn't. You looked like a fool on this thread because you can't back up your posts with facts, so instead you try to say it's about something else. Keep posting I can use a laugh.
I provided the facts.

It's not my fault you don't understand them.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:31 AM
 
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Can't prove that i ever denied they were regressive
You refuted that fact that lower income earners in European social democrat countries paid higher total tax rates than did higher income earners. Of course, you were wrong. I proved it using U.K.'s data as an example.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:38 AM
 
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You refuted that fact that lower income earners in European social democrat countries paid higher total tax rates than did higher income earners. Of course, you were wrong. I proved it using U.K.'s data as an example.
You conceded the fact that lower-wage earners don't necessarily pay a higher total tax rate than high-wage earners in tax systems where regressive and progressive tax collections are combined. Since all the tax systems in Europe are combinations of regressive and progressive taxes, that fact was the only fact I wanted acknowledged. Since you did concede it, I'm done with this discussion. Bye-bye!
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Old 06-18-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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You conceded the fact that lower-wage earners don't necessarily pay a higher total tax rate than high-wage earners in tax systems where regressive and progressive tax collections are combined.
No, I didn't. That's what you keep trying to assert, but you've posted NO facts whatsoever supporting your assertion.

As I've posted linked facts supporting my assertions, readers can only conclude that you're long on uninformed opinion, and short on actual facts.
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