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View Poll Results: The vote
Jeb Bush 2 2.67%
Marco Rubio 1 1.33%
Elizabeth Warren 19 25.33%
Rand Paul 15 20.00%
Chris Christie 1 1.33%
Ben Carson 3 4.00%
Hilary Clinton 18 24.00%
Rick Perry 2 2.67%
Ted Cruz 9 12.00%
Mitt Romney 5 6.67%
Voters: 75. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-15-2015, 07:04 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Mitt gets my vote and many of the issues Romney brought up was correct and on the mark,
Wrong about the budget, wrong about the economy, wrong about jobs, wrong about the deficit, wrong about Obamacare, wrong about Benghazi, wrong to favor giving the rich more tax breaks. He was wrong about Civil Rights because he didn't have a position. Wrong about immigration. Wrong about the environment. His approach to foreign policy would've sent thousands more troops to die, so he was wrong here. He was wrong to want to only represent less than half the country. He was wrong to scream about taxes, yet not show his tax returns. The flip-flopping Frankenstein was just plain WRONG.

If he runs, there will plenty for his GOP opponents to decimate him with. He doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning the GOP nomination with his record of failure. Good luck with your support of him.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I will say that among the 3 purportedly moderate GOP contenders, I would pick Romney #1, Jeb Bush 2nd, and Chris Christie last.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:55 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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You explained it with the last word of your post. She's a liberal, or as you misspelled it, 'Lib-rul.'

Ted Cruz is smart (deemed by a Harvard law prof as one of his brightest students ever), is a male, and has consistently fought for shrinking liberty. Would I expect you to support him? No, he's a conservative. It's as simple as that.
Well 'smart' or no, Cruz's only real 'accomplishment' is simply more obstructionism. Although I think you do illustrate both the critical difference, and the political weakness, in the current 'conservative' (aka 'libertarian') POV.

Folks like Cruz may be self-styled champeens of vague, high-falutin' stuff like "freedom', 'liberty', 'small gubment', 'the constitution', etc….. but poll after poll shows that none of those are really the primary concerns of most mainstream voters, who care much more about 'real world' issues, like jobs, the economy and a shrinking middle class (which BTW, are the main concerns of "lib-ruls" like Warren).

So that seems to be the big problem with 'libertarian' ideologues like Cruz, is namely gaining any wider voter appeal or "relevance" beyond just the GOP "base". 'Cuz just opposing 'leftists' and 'big gubmint' ain't gonna be enough these days to reach the Big Time!
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Old 01-15-2015, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Reagan won 44 states in 1980 and 49 in 1984 spouting the same rhetoric as Cruz does. Polling shows that voters want smaller government, and it has been this way for decades. See the work of Karlyn Bowman of AEI.

People want smaller government — and they think Mitt Romney does too - The Washington Post

There is nothing wrong with obstruction of a bad idea, such as Obamacare. Granted the new GOP-controlled Congress is going to have to have a positive agenda of some kind. We'll have to wait and see about that.

If the Congress sends a bill on school vouchers, or border security, or cutting Amtrak subsidies, and Obama vetoes them all, are you going to apply the same label of obstructionism to him?
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Old 01-15-2015, 09:24 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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^ The very reason Obama has had to make "end runs" is precisely because Congress isn't doing their job. So if they have 'other solutions' re: immigration, the minimum wage, alternative energy, climate change, whatever…. then, indeed, let's see 'em?!

House Speaker Says Congress May Not Act On Immigration Reform, No Matter What Obama Does

PEW Research: In late spurt of activity, Congress avoids ‘least productive’ title
"Our calculation finds that the 113th just barely avoided the dubious title of “least productive Congress in modern history.”
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:00 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Put Jim Webb on that list and I'll vote.
I seriously doubt 90% of the people on this forum know Jim Webb's views NOW, let alone before he announced he was forming an exploratory committee.

That being said. I voted for Clinton.


My views are some what caught between hers and Warrens, but Progressives usually take a hard line, there for , nothing will get done, so im going with Clinton.
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:08 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Reagan won 44 states in 1980 and 49 in 1984 spouting the same rhetoric as Cruz does. Polling shows that voters want smaller government, and it has been this way for decades. See the work of Karlyn Bowman of AEI.

People want smaller government — and they think Mitt Romney does too - The Washington Post

There is nothing wrong with obstruction of a bad idea, such as Obamacare. Granted the new GOP-controlled Congress is going to have to have a positive agenda of some kind. We'll have to wait and see about that.

If the Congress sends a bill on school vouchers, or border security, or cutting Amtrak subsidies, and Obama vetoes them all, are you going to apply the same label of obstructionism to him?
Obamacare being a bad idea is an opinion. An obstruction/objection to Obamacare should have nothing to do with funding the overall government.

You can be for your interpretation of small government, and be against Obamacare WITHOUT shutting down the Government. The 3 things should not all be tied together.

The people seem to agree with that as well.

Poll: Don't Shut Down the Government Over Obamacare - NationalJournal.com
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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If I might ask, what exactly is the conservative beef with Warren (at least more specific than she's a 'leftist', 'commie', yada-yada)?

She helped establish the U.S. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, has consistently fought for the shrinking middle class who rightfully believe "the system is rigged", while suggesting that the rich should pay more taxes (egads!), and she's hammered banks and so-called 'regulators' when no one else would. Also horror of horrors, she pushed for students to be able to take out government education loans at the same rate that banks like Goldmann Sachs enjoy! But perhaps her biggest 'sin' was publicly outing the recent Wall Street budget giveaway that virtually guts Dodd-Frank (you know, the banking limits specifically designed to prevent another Great Recession)?! So what's not to like (other than she's smart, female and a very persuasive Lib-rul)?!
she is a psychotic nut case, who should be committed to an insane asylum

she is a total liar, who has zero credibility
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Old 01-15-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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I'd rather have a President who rubber stamps a Congress than a Congress that rubber stamps a President.
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Old 01-15-2015, 01:53 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Well 'smart' or no, Cruz's only real 'accomplishment' is simply more obstructionism.

I love it when someone actually obstructs another from taking a crap on the US Constitution.
Need more like them.
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