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Old 11-13-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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Ted Cruz, is a lot of people nightmare.

Ignorance breeds fear. Why fear the guy so much, a character assassination occurs using delusional tactics.
What are you scared of?


The Dems heavily vilified him a couple of years back to get the demagogue ball rolling on him.
That is the bulk that oppose him in the general population, the result of propaganda.

 
Old 11-13-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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As much as one person can that doesn't have leadership that wants to change too. That is the dysfunction of DC. Current leadership in both parties does NOT want change.

Washington needs a transformative leader now more than ever. (unless you like what is going on now). Many are counting on Cruz to be that person. Some think Rand Paul can do that or maybe Rubio (although he is often considered more of an establishment candidate) Others think Trump or Carson or Florina..true outsiders are the key.

And there are those that think just because there is an R beside their name, things will magically get better. They fall into the Jeb, Christie, etc camps.
Well, it's easy to be a critic and carp. It's another thing to be able to persuade others to follow and do the same.

Unfortunately for those who are fans, Cruz falls into the 1st category, and hasn't really been able to persuade others in the government, political circles, to translate that into real action. A smart guy who knows how to debate and score points, but is shortchanged in being able to build relationships with the objective to persuade.

IOW, he's a show horse, not a work horse.
 
Old 11-13-2015, 10:49 PM
 
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Well, it's easy to be a critic and carp. It's another thing to be able to persuade others to follow and do the same.

Unfortunately for those who are fans, Cruz falls into the 1st category, and hasn't really been able to persuade others in the government, political circles, to translate that into real action. A smart guy who knows how to debate and score points, but is shortchanged in being able to build relationships with the objective to persuade.

IOW, he's a show horse, not a work horse.
A work horse is exactly what he has been.

Consider how he handled the Gang of 8 - Marco Rubio's achilles' heel.
Consider the ACA filibuster - He proved that the GOP candidates were blowing smoke that they actually wanted to repeal it by standing virtually alone and being criticized by those very people running for president. - Bobby Jindal, Carley Fiorina, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Lindsey Graham, etc.

They can do their "show votes", but Ted Cruz is the real deal.
 
Old 11-13-2015, 11:16 PM
 
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CRUZ PLAN TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION:
SECURE THE BORDER, RESTORE THE RULE OF LAW, AND PROTECT AMERICANS




https://www.tedcruz.org/cruz-immigration-plan/


 
Old 11-14-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrOQQkY1bxQ
 
Old 11-14-2015, 01:43 PM
 
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CRUZ PLAN TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION:
SECURE THE BORDER, RESTORE THE RULE OF LAW, AND PROTECT AMERICANS




https://www.tedcruz.org/cruz-immigration-plan/


While Cruz is one of only a couple in the race who want to solve this problem even close to properly, after reading through the info on his campaign site it wasn't clear he'd be willing to deport all or most of those here illegally. He did make it clear criminal immigrants would be sent back, but right above that said immigrants would be welcomed. His position is still unclear in regards to who gets to stay and who has to go back to their native countries. Overall though, I think he has taken the best and most well thought out position on the issue. However, I get the impression he's leaving one of the key provisions in his plan vague, who would get to stay. Could be he doesn't want to upset the pro-amnesty crowd too much, or it could be he plans on giving most illegals amnesty once he's elected, and that could lose him the nomination.

He mentioned E-verify, which would be great, but pointless if amnesty is granted for those already here. Tens of millions are here illegally, we don't even know how many. Could be 20, 25, or 30 million or more here illegally. The 11.5 number everyone throws around is a very low estimate, purposely in my opinion.
 
Old 11-14-2015, 04:05 PM
 
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While Cruz is one of only a couple in the race who want to solve this problem even close to properly, after reading through the info on his campaign site it wasn't clear he'd be willing to deport all or most of those here illegally. He did make it clear criminal immigrants would be sent back, but right above that said immigrants would be welcomed. His position is still unclear in regards to who gets to stay and who has to go back to their native countries. Overall though, I think he has taken the best and most well thought out position on the issue. However, I get the impression he's leaving one of the key provisions in his plan vague, who would get to stay. Could be he doesn't want to upset the pro-amnesty crowd too much, or it could be he plans on giving most illegals amnesty once he's elected, and that could lose him the nomination.

He mentioned E-verify, which would be great, but pointless if amnesty is granted for those already here. Tens of millions are here illegally, we don't even know how many. Could be 20, 25, or 30 million or more here illegally. The 11.5 number everyone throws around is a very low estimate, purposely in my opinion.
How is his position unclear? His plans states that 40% of immigrants are visa overstays - Criminalize visa overstays. - "This will help us remove people who abuse our goodwill, deter others from doing so, and eliminate a major national security vulnerability."

Cuting of the incentives will make people leave. That's the other 60% - Prohibit illegal immigrants from receiving financial benefits.

Enforcing the laws that are already on the books will take care of 100% of these people who are here illegally. I don't need a primer to understand the method.
 
Old 11-14-2015, 10:46 PM
 
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Cruz may be able to win the deep red states but he won't stand a chance in the swing states. You don't have to worry about him. He's never had to care about what independent voters think. He's operated his entire career in a deep red state where all you have to do is pander to the Republican base to get elected. He's incapable of moving to the center in a general election.
 
Old 11-16-2015, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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^ He won't have to move to the center (which is good advice for D's, bad for R's anyway).

The political climate is different today then it has been for some time. Populism will rule, conventional wisdom is a surefire loser.

See 1980.
 
Old 11-16-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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Well, it's easy to be a critic and carp. It's another thing to be able to persuade others to follow and do the same.

Unfortunately for those who are fans, Cruz falls into the 1st category, and hasn't really been able to persuade others in the government, political circles, to translate that into real action. A smart guy who knows how to debate and score points, but is shortchanged in being able to build relationships with the objective to persuade.

IOW, he's a show horse, not a work horse.
All that proves, it how many in congress are bought and sold and thus not willing to actually change anything. They have a cushy deal. Why go with this Cruz guy and disrupt my got-it-made life as a professional politician. It is very lucrative after all.

Why is that hard to see?

It is a different ballgame when you are President.

Obama got ZILCH accomplished as a Senator.

Look how much damage he's done as Prez.
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