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Bernie is getting educated white supporters in higher income brackets. They know they may be voluntarily voting against their own interests but are motivated by their morals.
Trump is getting whites who are jealous of those on welfare. Think about how misinformed you need to be to be "jealous" of people on welfare. These voters are motivated by hate and paranoia. They have no idea that they are voting against their own interests. They are literally and figuratively "tools."
Wow. They vote against their own interests? How is that a good thing? I guess Bernie supporters are okay with higher taxes and sharing their wealth. Then what you are saying is that Bernie appeals to those who are filthy rich and don't mind paying more taxes and expect others who aren't wealthy to also pay the same amount. After all, how else will Santa Bernie be able to pay for all those freebies (like free college) that he keeps promising?
You characterization of Trump voters is really off the mark. Why do you think it's okay to insult people and generalize? Trump is against illegal immigration and for securing our borders. How is that, in your mind, equate to "voting against their own interests"?
Trump never called Mexicans rapists either and never egged on people to beat a black man. Your post, just like your President, is dishonest.
What a shameful lie. I understand you need to spread lies about Trump to get people to vote for that bigoted ignoramus but I'm concerned that you're lying to people who know better such as myself. He factually referred to Mexicans as rapists and egged on people at his rally who were beating a black #BlackLivesMatters protester.
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
LMAO Using a bigoted statement while claiming a candidate is bigoted. Trump isn't the bigot here.
Me calling white supremacists "ignorant" is bigoted in your mind? If you believe disliking white supremacists for their character is bigoted, you admitting you agree with their views doesn't leave you with any credibility
What a shameful lie. I understand you need to spread lies about Trump to get people to vote for that bigoted ignoramus but I'm concerned that you're lying to people who know better such as myself. He factually referred to Mexicans as rapists and egged on people at his rally who were beating a black #BlackLivesMatters protester.
Me calling white supremacists "ignorant" is bigoted in your mind? If you believe disliking white supremacists for their character is bigoted, you admitting you agree with their views doesn't leave you with any credibility
I called you out on your lie about the black guy getting beaten before. If you call that a beating then you my friend have never witnessed or been in a real fight. Typical liberal nonsense, the guy was barely touched. He fell down and was escorted out. Come on bro, stop your bullsh*t.
While Mr. Trump's supporters mainly occupy the demographic that typically don't vote, but I think they are going to surprise people in 2016. They seem very committed (or at least talk a good game), and may even turn out to vote for the very first time. That kind of motivated turnout can spell trouble for both Republicans and Democrats.
Mick
It spelled trouble for John McCain and Mitt Romney, and Obama voters were supposed to be the least likely demographic to vote as well.
While Mr. Trump's supporters mainly occupy the demographic that typically don't vote, but I think they are going to surprise people in 2016. They seem very committed (or at least talk a good game), and may even turn out to vote for the very first time. That kind of motivated turnout can spell trouble for both Republicans and Democrats.
Mick
Wow someone who actually might have read the linked to story, which was about the mechanics of the Iowa caucus system which isn't about just showing up and voting. In Iowa it is critically important that a campaign's ground game is up to speed and there have been real factual questions about the Trump campaigns level of organization on the ground in Iowa. Nothing meme worthy or partisan in the story, but you'd have to read it to know that.
Bernie is getting educated white supporters in higher income brackets. They know they may be voluntarily voting against their own interests but are motivated by their morals.
Trump is getting whites who are jealous of those on welfare. Think about how misinformed you need to be to be "jealous" of people on welfare. These voters are motivated by hate and paranoia. They have no idea that they are voting against their own interests. They are literally and figuratively "tools."
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Originally Posted by Dockside
Ahh, there we go. Bernie supporters are the "good" whites while Trump supporters are the "bad" whites. Thanks for clearing that up.
Can you please point out where exactly i said this??
Or do you just associate "educated" and "making more money" with "good??" If so, then that is your issue, not mine.
I try not to think in such absolutes. You should try the same as should more politicians.
Trump's voters are motivated by their morals as well. Also, you are contradicting your "liberal facts". Liberals always say that Whites are the majority of people no welfare. So using that logic, many of Trump's supporters would also be on welfare...your argument doesn't make sense.
Fact is, very few people want to be on welfare---they want jobs, and Trump is promising that, by bringing them back from where the GOPe have sent them, and sending out refujihadists and illegals that are taking them. All Bernie wants to do is bring a failed European system to the United States that will bankrupt us even further.
Actually YOUR logic makes no sense. Given your statement of "liberal facts" (where it looks like you substituted "liberal" with "true" because that is the actual statistic) there would be nearly equal amount of whites on welfare on both sides.
I see/hear no concrete promises from Trump about bringing jobs to Americans. Do you?? But if you are one of those people who think that cutting taxes to corporations will magically create jobs, as opposed to keeping the wealth in the same upward migration as it is now, then i have a bridge to sell you in the desert.
I was optimistic about his tax plan until I saw it.
1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
FACT: This sounds great! But it merely saves the AVERAGE taxpayer 1k per year. Could save you nothing. Could save you 2k. How is the government going to make up for this lost revenue??
2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
FACT: This merely lowers the tax brackets for those making over 250k. Does this benefit you? Comparing the levels to PRE WWII is not a good thing. Ask almost all economists. Remember the Great Depression?
3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
FACT: This is the most ridiculous and ignorant proposal in the entire plan. This *might* supply some min wage jobs in the short term ala "Reagonomics," but the middle class has STILL NOT YET recovered from the "first wave Reagonomics."
Does this seem fair that YOU as a US citizen pay up to 25% in taxes yet your employer, perhaps a for-profit publicly traded company, is only paying "no more than 15%??" Again, more corporate welfare in disguise.
4.No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.
FACT: This ONLY benefits those people who have ONE family, member (not even a couple) who dies with 5-6 MILLION in assets. Hardly anyone in America pays this scary sounding tax. In fact, this is not what it is called. It is the ESTATE TAX.
Does this benefit YOU in any way?? Probably not but it sure sound pretty.
Wow. They vote against their own interests? How is that a good thing? I guess Bernie supporters are okay with higher taxes and sharing their wealth. Then what you are saying is that Bernie appeals to those who are filthy rich and don't mind paying more taxes and expect others who aren't wealthy to also pay the same amount. After all, how else will Santa Bernie be able to pay for all those freebies (like free college) that he keeps promising?
You characterization of Trump voters is really off the mark. Why do you think it's okay to insult people and generalize? Trump is against illegal immigration and for securing our borders. How is that, in your mind, equate to "voting against their own interests"?
What you say in bold re Sanders contradicts itself:
1. I'm not saying they are more wealthy. I know many who are broke college kids.
2. It is because they are not wealthy that they are "voting against their own interests" if voting for Sanders.
I'm not insulting Trump voters (of which of course I am "generalizing.") My post was purely from an economic POV.
If you think that the only issues impacting the economy are immigration then I would like to sell you the same bridge. Trump has certainly made it seem that way though hasn't he? He's done a great job of stirring up that anger and paranoia of the masses! Go Trump! Trump for President!
See my post above re Trump's tax plan if you*honestly* care how voting for him is against the interests of anyone (of any color) making under approximately 250k per year.
In case it is STILL unclear, here is what the Trump campaign is doing, here it is:
-------> Trump rallies your hate and anger against immigrants and other countries while at the same time PAIRING IT with vague "promises" of how he is going to make you more money ("classical conditioning" from psychology)
--------> Trump keeps up the hate and angry rhetoric while slipping in his *actual* tax plan w "slight of hand tricks." This is often used by people in sales, like car salesmen, to think you are getting a better deal than you are.
--------> The tool media barely covers his tax plan. They instead focus on his general antics because that is what the "tool voters" (which not all are, of course) care about.
--------> Trump probably knows this will happen and he is not eager to highlight his tax plan. He knows he was lying when he said "hedge fund managers will hate me" (they would LOVE HIM!) So he keeps up with the anger and hate that people love and the empty rhetoric like "make America great again."
--------> Finally, people who have not read Trumps's tax plan, or cannot understand it, or merely see positive terms in it like "I win" (WTF BTW??), or vague things like "eliminate the death tax" (which sounds great until unless you learn that "death tax" is not a real thing and the closest thing to it only benefits people with over 6 million in money/assets) vote for Trump because he told them at the very beginning that HE was the one to make voters more financially successful.
--------> Trump gets elected by: 1. Those who he made unknowing financial tools for big business via the process above and 2. Those making over 250k per year and who his tax plan will actually benefit.
Does anyone here SERIOUSLY think that Trump would make legislation AGAINST HIS OWN BUSINESS INTERESTS?? Has Trump ever NOT been "all about Trump?" He doesn't even care about his own nephew with Cerebral Palsy so why would he carer about YOU??
Sure, he is (supposedly) funding his own campaigns. Big whoop. A small price to pay for a lifetime of personal and business tax breaks!!
FTR- I think Trump is a GENIUS and I give him much props for being able to manipulate people this way. It is certainly a "learned skill" much like sales. Of course, ALL politicians lie and manipulate to various extents, but I think THIS campaign will be studied by others in politics for years to come.
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty
Your notion is nonsense. However for just for laughs, which group do you think there are more of?
A vote from an Einstein genius = A vote from rider on short bus.
Maybe you need to rethink your strategy of telling us why Bernie will win. Because if your theory is correct, Trump will be in the White House.
What "notion?"
I never once implied that Bernie would win.
It's fascinating to read all of the conservative interpretations of what I wrote or what you think I wrote and/or implied when i didn't.....
I'm out of this thread- proceed with the the misinterpretations, ignorance and partisan politics...... And have fun further bashing my posts! You're welcome.
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This *might* supply some min wage jobs in the short term ala "Reagonomics," but the middle class has STILL NOT YET recovered from the "first wave Reagonomics." 
