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Originally Posted by g gotta take it to the SCOTUS to finally put a nail in the coffin of this stupidity -- but you better believe that's never going to stop birthers and their stupidity. They will [B
Thats true.I don't care if the Supreme Court rules unanimously that Ted Cruz is qualified, the screaming on here won't even slow down.If Cruz gets elected we'll have 4-8 more years of endless birther nonsense.They will just say the Supreme Court is wrong.They're still cryng about Obama and hes almost ready to start packing to move out of the White House.
Bright line rule to preclude controversy of doubted credibility:
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."
"And yet George Romney did indeed run for president and all legal challenges against him doing so failed. [...] The fact that George Romney's natural born citizenship held up in the courts should have put all lesser cases to bed for good."
Would you mind citing the case(s) in question? Because I see nothing to indicate the issue was ever adjudicated. And given the duration of George's candidacy (he dropped out in late-February, 1968), I see no reason to assume it would've been. That said, I wasn't debating the constitutionality of a G. Romney presidency, just giving my personal take on his fitness for office.
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"If a man can be born in a foreign land where his family are hiding out from legal prosecution by the United States Federal Government and still be affirmed as a natural-born citizen, then why all the fuss about Ted, Barack, McCain, Mitt or anyone else? If George can cross the bar, so can all the others."
The "controversy" is almost entirely political, methinks. But there are some legal scholars (probably a minority) who contend that the issue is neither simple nor settled: https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...GoK/story.html
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"PS: We seem to be entering an era where military service isn't all that important for a candidate for POTUS. No president since Bush Sr. has actually served. I would greatly prefer it if any president were a bonafide veteran and maybe even a war hero. We're not getting those options much these days."
Military service is valuable experience, but I would concur that it's far from the only/most-important qualification.
I have the feeling that Trump (and others) will successfully plant the label Canadian on Cruz and in spite of his best efforts the label will stick.
Cruz can (and likely will) come up with all kinds of arguments (some legal, others twistingly weird). But the simple response 'You were born in Canada' says it all for most people who really don't want to hear some long winded barely understandable discussion on the various categories of citizenship.
Cruz is a Canadian, born there. See? Simple. Direct, to the point. Thats whats going to sell.
I have the feeling that Trump (and others) will successfully plant the label Canadian on Cruz and in spite of his best efforts the label will stick.
Cruz can (and likely will) come up with all kinds of arguments (some legal, others twistingly weird). But the simple response 'You were born in Canada' says it all for most people who really don't want to hear some long winded barely understandable discussion on the various categories of citizenship.
Cruz is a Canadian, born there. See? Simple. Direct, to the point. Thats whats going to sell.
That's about right. Do you really want a foreign born president? It has NEVER happened before so there must be something to it. Presidency aside, how did a Canadian citizen server as US Senator?
Hear's Teds problem. When I heard he forgot the Goldman Sacks loan I believed him. Then when I heard he also didn't file the Citi bank loan I remembered a story I heard when 9-11 happened. A woman and her young daughter watched the first plane fly into the first tower. When the second tower was struck the young girl said "Mommy, They're doing it on purpose". Cruz didn't file on purpose and he was caught not only lying but the only reason why he didn't file was to keep the Tea Party in the dark. He's a liar and a traitor.
Hear's Teds problem. When I heard he forgot the Goldman Sacks loan I believed him. Then when I heard he also didn't file the Citi bank loan I remembered a story I heard when 9-11 happened. A woman and her young daughter watched the first plane fly into the first tower. When the second tower was struck the young girl said "Mommy, They're doing it on purpose". Cruz didn't file on purpose and he was caught not only lying but the only reason why he didn't file was to keep the Tea Party in the dark. He's a liar and a traitor.
As I have said, his natural born citizen or not is really the least of his problems. The scrutiny will continue to tighten and I don't think his record will hold up. Old flip-flop Ted.
So, going back to Cruz and thinking about the other posts, if Canada would have had a mandatory military requirement for males, he would have been bound to return to Canada to serve, right? And, isn't that where dual citizenship could get sticky. Yes, Cruz did drop his Canadian citizenship when it started being questioned but this still points to an issue of having the dual-citizenship and the tie to another country.
I don't know about Canadian military conscription. In the United States, non-citizens can be drafted into the U.S. military forces.
As for Canada enforcing a draft notice on Ted Cruz while he was living in the United States, the U.S. would have to extradite him to Canada. Cruz, being a United States citizen at birth (per federal law) might be able to block that extradition attempt by renouncing his Canadian citizenship.
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