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Old 03-09-2016, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I also like how he spoke about the corruption in regards to military contracts. There is massive waste in the military because of big corporations donating to politicians such as Cruz and Rubio to make sure us tax payers are over paying...and buying equipment we don't need.

It's just horrible the waste. Imagine how much better that money could be spent on things that help actual Americans
With $8.5 Trillion Unaccounted for, Why Should Congress Increase the Defense Budget? | The Fiscal Times
Imagine that it was necessary to pass a law to require the military to be accountable for spending.

Imagine that despite 10 Congressional terms and three Presidents, the deadline for accountability continues to extend. Despite the inability to account for spending, many politicians advocate for increased spending.

What was it that Eisenhower warned the American people about?
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:18 AM
 
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What are you folks talking about?

Yes, you can (and should) evolve over time, as you gain new life experiences, talk to more people, examine new studies, etc. If fact, conservative SCOTUS Justices do this all the time, and that's cool.

However, it cannot fairly be said that someone evolved in a matter of 9 months during a presidential campaign. It was gratifying to hear that Mr. Trump is willing to consider a lower wall, from 50 feet to 45 feet . . . to maybe 10 feet. It's all negotiations and flexibility. I also think that the expel-all-12-million-illegals is just a rhetoric. He'd be happy with kicking out 3 million via mandatory e-Verify. Also, great to hear that he's now a yuuge fan of the H1B visa program. Die loser American IT workers.

Mick
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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The Constitution isn't a coin toss.
There is only one side of the US. Constitution.
Oh for God's sakes, I'm not talking about the Constitution...
I'm talking about looking at both sides of every issue....no, he is not for changing the constitution??????

Where did you get that idea?

I'll tell you, the current administration has been chipping away at the Constitution, Trump hasn't said a word about doing so...

He was talking about immigration when he said that....and they had asked him about working with the other politicians....but during that conversation, the Constitution wasn't even mentioned??????
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:54 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Flip Flop or Pivoting? Watching the attacks on Trump in the debate last night I can't believe how they were attacking him. They were pulling up things from 20-30 years ago. I think most people would change their minds on important topics in their lives as they aged and matured.

As for the more recent flip flops I think Trump is a guy that often gets on a rant then the next day he or his advisors tell him to back it up a bit. He was so keen on deporting 11 million illegal aliens but now I think he realizes that that is not possible.

There has to be give and take in any negotiations or debate. People do change their minds as more evidence comes to light. Trump is a business man, a salesman so he is constantly trying to please as many people as possible. It is his nature.

Looking at the 3 other candidates Trump has tried and failed at more things then the 3 have in total. He has also seen more success than the other 3. There really is no comparison to Trump.

Would he make a good president? who knows.
Completely concur. I think Trump is probably a lot more intelligent and pragmatic than the media gives him credit for.

I'm 29 now and I hold almost none of the views that were quite dear to me when I was 20. I've "evolved" on virtually every issue. Intelligent people consider the evidence and are constantly reassessing and iterating. It's not a bad trait in itself. Circumstances often change and what previously looked smart now looks foolish.

You don't get to where Trump is without a capacity to get along, often with varying groups of people with divergent views. The fact that he has grown a successful enterprise (with failures along the way - most big businessmen have them) proves that he's neither stupid nor completely set in his ways.
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Completely concur. I think Trump is probably a lot more intelligent and pragmatic than the media gives him credit for.

I'm 29 now and I hold almost none of the views that were quite dear to me when I was 20. I've "evolved" on virtually every issue. Intelligent people consider the evidence and are constantly reassessing and iterating. It's not a bad trait in itself. Circumstances often change and what previously looked smart now looks foolish.

You don't get to where Trump is without a capacity to get along, often with varying groups of people with divergent views. The fact that he has grown a successful enterprise (with failures along the way - most big businessmen have them) proves that he's neither stupid nor completely set in his ways.
Absolutely! All our perspectives change, as we grow older, have children, etc. Me to, matter of fact, I think to myself on many occasions, "I am talking just like my parents did when I gave them the ol eye roll"

I would like to think that Trump is probably smarter then the media gives him credit for, after all the media makes up part of the establishment...however, what bothers me about Trump is the fact that he reacts foolishly....his debate answers and gestures are in fact very childish.

but when you listen to him on a one on one basis, he sounds great....so? I also think it hurts him deeply when someone attacks him...but I've even answered some of his tweets, let it go, don't take it personally and don't respond, but he does....he is representing us, and he has to remember how he acts reflects on us....so?

People keep attacking his failing gambling Casinos, well, let me tell you....Atlantic City was failing until the Casinos came. Trump didn't fail, the Casinos failed b/c PA started seeing how much money those Casinos were making and decided, they would finally make it legal to gamble. So, they build casinos all over the place, in DE and DC...and all over PA, which took a large chuck of business from them. They were constantly running buses to Atlantic City before that....it is a shame, but when times were good, what happened, they all got greedy, didn't save for a rainy day and now all of NJ is suffering....it is the most expensive state to live in. They are nickle and diming their people to death, all b/c of greed. People are actually moving out of NJ in droves.

Anyway, Trump could be lying, who knows, they all sell you a story, bottom line is....I'd really hate to see another liberal in office...they've had their turn, they should pass the ball to us now. And I'm an independent conservative, not a Republican...those jokers make me sick. Rubio and Cruz are disgusting.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Completely concur. I think Trump is probably a lot more intelligent and pragmatic than the media gives him credit for.

I'm 29 now and I hold almost none of the views that were quite dear to me when I was 20. I've "evolved" on virtually every issue. Intelligent people consider the evidence and are constantly reassessing and iterating. It's not a bad trait in itself. Circumstances often change and what previously looked smart now looks foolish.

You don't get to where Trump is without a capacity to get along, often with varying groups of people with divergent views. The fact that he has grown a successful enterprise (with failures along the way - most big businessmen have them) proves that he's neither stupid nor completely set in his ways.
Yeah I know what you mean. I think he is smarter and 'deeper' than the media gives him credit for.
I think there are a lot of people that in the beginning thought of Trump more as a joke..but then with time and listening to him during debates and speeches ,etc saw that he "gets it" and feel that he is actually more down to earth and practical than the other choices.

Just like everyone I think he's got different sides of his personality. Sure he hasn't said things perfectly and can be politically incorrect...but that's also a big part of his appeal. He doesn't sound super slick and scripted like Rubio ,Cruz and others.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:05 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Of course it is, no one is referring to the constitution, see that is where perception comes in....where people actually see things in people's words that are not there....

Trump was asked his stands on illegals, and he made the comment (which really made me angry) that he'd be flexible...meaning, he wants to integrate both sides....

You have not met Ted Cruz?
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:08 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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From here on in the US constitution is like a huge albatross around the neck of the country dragging it down to it's demise. The writers of the document never envisioned that document being used to block, stall and deadlock basically everything the executive branch of government attempts to do. The division of power has now created a situation where the government has become so dysfunctional that even acute emergencies where people are dying and property is being destroyed can not be dealt with. Katrina is a good example. Your kangaroo Supreme court decides nothing based on law but everything is decided on a political partisan basis. I'm wondering how far down the nation will fall before Americans realize basic constitutional reform is critical for the saving of the nation? I don't think reform is possible and so what will happen? I predict that somewhere along the line and not too far into the future the military will have had enough and stage a coup.
One can hardly blame them when the civilian government can't solve anything, is incompetent in all of it's ways and the people are the ones paying the price as the nation steadily declines.

I should make you by slave.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:09 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The US Constitution, like all scripture and all religious law, is subject to subjective interpretation which tends to differ, school to school, scholar to scholar.

Interpretation?

Read the text and get out a dictionary from 1780.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:16 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Oh for God's sakes, I'm not talking about the Constitution...
I'm talking about looking at both sides of every issue....no, he is not for changing the constitution??????

Where did you get that idea?

I'll tell you, the current administration has been chipping away at the Constitution, Trump hasn't said a word about doing so...

He was talking about immigration when he said that....and they had asked him about working with the other politicians....but during that conversation, the Constitution wasn't even mentioned??????

The Centralized "Federal" Government, only exists because of the US. Constitution.

If you are discussing the actions of the Federal Government, then the Constitution is very much in play.
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