Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
As far as the will of the people being thwarted it doesn't depend on dividing it up between the minority and the majority. The will of the people is thwarted when the leadership has secrete meetings, develops a campaign, encourages super pac's, runs adds to cut out a section, or cull the herd of the party. It is this activity behind the scenes and in the open that thwart the will of the entire party ( people ) which is to elect someone from the party to office. When leadership freaks out and shoots the party in the foot that thwarts the will of the people who want the race to be decided by the voters and delegates chosen under whatever rules exist[b].
You forgot to mention the GOP Plan B, if Trump does get 1237 delegates. Karl Rove clearly laid it out.
They already have a contract in place to get a 3rd. Party candidate on all 50 state ballots 6 weeks after the convention in Cleveland.
The final rigging solution when all else fails, or the "sacrifice fly" Give the election to Hillary with a 3rd. Party candidate who will drain off 10 points from Trump or Cruz and ensure her election.
This way the establishment RHINO's stay in control even though they don't have a majority in DC. In other words - TYRANNY!!!!!
Last edited by Oldhag1; 04-04-2016 at 01:39 PM..
Reason: Fixed formatting
All of these replies in this thread do one very important thing, and that is to back up my contention that the party system should be done away with, and voting be for one candidate, not party.
The problem with this is that Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have basically only won states that weren't primaries.
uh, this is absolutely NOT true for Trump.
Trump has won NH, SC, NV, AL, AR, GA, MA, TN, VM, VA, KY, LA, HI, MI, MS, FL, IL, MO, NC, and AZ.
Of those only NV, HI, and KY were caucus states. If anything he does worse in caucus states than he does in primaries. The typical complaint with the Donald is that he tends to do well in states with open primaries where it may not necessarily be republicans voting, but independents and democrats engaging in strategic voting.
Eliminate the need for delegates. Ensure voting can be done only on weekends. Ensure polling places are electronically and hand counted. Ensure polling places open at 7a close at 11p. Get rid of caucuses. Make every Primary closed. Who ever wins the most votes wins the state.
Same rules apply to the general election just no Electoral College.
Now if we do away with parties wouldn't need Primaries. Open elections start in May. Midwest votes the first months as well as Southern states to avoid inclement weather. Northern and Western states in the fall. All states complete voting by the 2nd week of November. Can postpone dates to vote based on weather and mail in ballots for states have to be mailed in a month prior to the date of their state election.
Candiates start debating January to May. One debate every two months after that. Slowly candiates will drop out of the race.
In a party that has so many rules why let Trump run as a Republican ? Why didn't they have rules to prevent his running ? They accepted him as a Republican. He is a registered Republican. It only became a problem when he started winning which they never thought would happen. If the Republican party wants to have a test so only the candidate who is conservative enough is allowed to run they should have made those rules. They won't because it would reduce the size of the party. You could fit them all into a Volkswagen bug.
As far as the will of the people being thwarted it doesn't depend on dividing it up between the minority and the majority. The will of the people is thwarted when the leadership has secrete meetings, develops a campaign, encourages super pac's, runs adds to cut out a section, or cull the herd of the party. It is this activity behind the scenes and in the open that thwart the will of the entire party ( people ) which is to elect someone from the party to office. When leadership freaks out and shoots the party in the foot that thwarts the will of the people who want the race to be decided by the voters and delegates chosen under whatever rules exist.
The will of the people is thwarted when the elites decide they are the ones to decide and the people should not have a voice in it. That is the case that says both the majority and the minority need to set down and shut up because we know what is best for you. Then ask those who agree with their decision to join them like useful idiots.
One more time: all these rules for the primaries were in place before this election cycle. Trumplets are complaining now because they're angry that all Republicans aren't bowing down in awe before the magnificence of their awesome leader. It's still a free country. People have a right to support whomever they want within the rules.
All of these replies in this thread do one very important thing, and that is to back up my contention that the party system should be done away with, and voting be for one candidate, not party.
Bob.
How do you propose to do away with the party system exactly? Repeal the entire First Amendment or just add another amendment that prohibits free assembly? Good luck with that.
How do you propose to do away with the party system exactly? Repeal the entire First Amendment or just add another amendment that prohibits free assembly? Good luck with that.
Just add one sentence to the original.
"Assembly by any group for political purpose is prohibited by this rule".
Just add one sentence to the original.
"Assembly by any group for political purpose is prohibited by this rule".
Bob.
Think about what you have just said. Our nation was born in part because England, especially towards inhabitants of its colonies, had rules like that. There is a reason freedom of assembly and freedom of association are in the 1st amendment.
__________________
When I post in bold red that is moderator action and, per the TOS, can only be discussed through Direct Message.
Just add one sentence to the original.
"Assembly by any group for political purpose is prohibited by this rule".
Bob.
Cray cray
And you are going to insert that sentence into the First Amendment via a Constitutional Amendment, right? Good luck, 0% of adoption.
Mick
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
