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Old 05-11-2016, 06:43 PM
 
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Popular votes are meaningless in a system where lots of states dont vote, they caucus, and the party elites and the unelected delegates set the rules on who should vote and how its done and the big business media (all of which have donated lots of money to Hillary's campaign which they never disclose during debates and town halls) has enormous power to decide who the nominee is. If you honestly dont believe the political system is rigged, and that we dont live in a two-party duopoly where people are locked into an abusive political relationship, then you are just out of touch with the American people.
There are some states with Caucuses which favour Bernie sanders because their formats are what grassroot campaigns can reach out to voters. caucuses disinfrenchise voters way more than primaries.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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Popular votes are meaningless in a system where lots of states dont vote, they caucus, and the party elites and the unelected delegates set the rules on who should vote and how its done and the big business media (all of which have donated lots of money to Hillary's campaign which they never disclose during debates and town halls) has enormous power to decide who the nominee is. If you honestly dont believe the political system is rigged, and that we dont live in a two-party duopoly where people are locked into an abusive political relationship, then you are just out of touch with the American people.
Yep, and thats why Im voting 3rd party this year

However, saying Hillary Clinton is being "forced" on to people and NO ONE wants her when she has received well over 12 MILLION votes across the country is absurd. Now if very few were voting for her yet she was somehow winning, that argument would be valid. However, thats hardly the case.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:45 PM
 
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Looks like the far left socialists and free college agenda people are going to have a fit soon.
Didnt you vote for the people who drained 3 trillion from the budget as a result of the Iraq war? Thats 50 years of tuition free public college in America and thats your agenda. Whine about investing in human needs in America like universal health care and education and push for billionaire tax cuts, perpetual warfare and no-bid government contracts for the military industrial complex and prison industrial complex while YOU have to pay for it through increased user fees on everything from roads, parks, medicare etc etc as public funding is scaled back to serve the elites.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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Didnt you vote for the people who drained 3 trillion from the budget as a result of the Iraq war? Thats 50 years of tuition free public college in America and thats your agenda. Whine about investing in human needs in America like universal health care and education and push for billionaire tax cuts, perpetual warfare and no-bid government contracts for the military industrial complex and prison industrial complex while YOU have to pay for it through increased user fees on everything from roads, parks, medicare etc etc as public funding is scaled back to serve the elites.
Stop it about the warfare crap. Hillary has said the war was wrong, and you can't really blame her for that. She made the decision based on the Intel from the ten administration.

Last time I check, they toppled saddam really quickly, and she was not the commander in chief to arrange for the aftermath effort.

Now answer me, if it was wrong for the War at that time, how the hell did W get re-elected in 2004?
How did Hillary get reelected to NY senate in 2006 if she was wrong?
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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Popular votes are meaningless in a system where lots of states dont vote, they caucus, and the party elites and the unelected delegates set the rules on who should vote and how its done and the big business media (all of which have donated lots of money to Hillary's campaign which they never disclose during debates and town halls) has enormous power to decide who the nominee is. If you honestly dont believe the political system is rigged, and that we dont live in a two-party duopoly where people are locked into an abusive political relationship, then you are just out of touch with the American people.
The system is only called "rigged" by the candidate who's losing. At least you included the caucus states. I haven't heard Bernie say "Gee, I win a lot of caucus states and they exclude even more people!"

The "billionaires and millionaires" haven't had any influence on me. In fact, almost every TV ad I've seen was for Bernie Sanders. I can't speak for other voters, however.

Regarding Independents, the primaries are specifically to select a candidate for the party. In most states, with few exceptions, voters could easily register as a Democrat online or change their party to vote for Sanders. PA, for example, gives voters up to March 28, 4 weeks before the primary date. Alabama is an open primary. Mississippi is an open primary state. It's just that when Hillary wins, those states don't count for one reason or another.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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There are some states with Caucuses which favour Bernie sanders because their formats are what grassroot campaigns can reach out to voters. caucuses disinfrenchise voters way more than primaries.
Yes, we all know you prefer that money and name recognition decide 100% of the election instead of 96%. We have to decide whether we want a democracy or massive income inequality, we cant have both. As money is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands as the rich buy politicians, pass laws that favor them, get even richer at the expense of the people and influence politicians even more, the end result is that 10 people control everything and you get nothing.

People who choose massive income inequality through puppet politicians must realize what they are voting against. We are reaching a tipping point soon.

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Old 05-11-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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The system is only called "rigged" by a candidate when he's losing.
No, the majority of Americans believe the system is rigged. You are just out of touch.

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More than half of American voters believe that the system U.S. political parties use to pick their candidates for the White House is "rigged" and more than two-thirds want to see the process changed, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:56 PM
 
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And Bernie's going to get 105% of the remaining delegates and win, right?

Of course Hillary will need superdelegates to get over the 2383 number because that is a number that includes superdelegates. She will also get over the 2026 majority of pledged delegates.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:57 PM
 
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Stop it about the warfare crap. Hillary has said the war was wrong, and you can't really blame her for that. She made the decision based on the Intel from the ten administration.

Last time I check, they toppled saddam really quickly, and she was not the commander in chief to arrange for the aftermath effort.

Now answer me, if it was wrong for the War at that time, how the hell did W get re-elected in 2004?
How did Hillary get reelected to NY senate in 2006 if she was wrong?
That poster is a republican, so you are barking up the wrong tree here. He's whining about $50 food stamps to starvin' Marvin and investing in education for the future of our country and votes for trillions upon trillions of massively wasteful spending benefiting a tiny elite in the military industrial complex and the donor class.
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Old 05-11-2016, 07:15 PM
 
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That poster is a republican, so you are barking up the wrong tree here. He's whining about $50 food stamps to starvin' Marvin and investing in education for the future of our country and votes for trillions upon trillions of massively wasteful spending benefiting a tiny elite in the military industrial complex and the donor class.
Like it or not, Bernie has as much a chance of becoming the next President as my next door neighbors cat does. That's the reality you can't face. For all his free, free, free, programs he promotes, there aren't enough millionaires and Billionaires in the Western Hemisphere to support what he wants to do. As Margaret Thatcher once famously said, "The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money to spend". Let him tax YOU at 90 percent. Then tell me how wonderful your make believe world is.
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