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Old 05-11-2016, 09:18 PM
 
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Yep, and thats why Im voting 3rd party this year

However, saying Hillary Clinton is being "forced" on to people and NO ONE wants her when she has received well over 12 MILLION votes across the country is absurd. Now if very few were voting for her yet she was somehow winning, that argument would be valid. However, thats hardly the case.
Isn't it funny how the same people who say those voting for Hillary actually want her are the same people who babble about how unpopular Trump is.


You can't have it both ways.


Nobody wants Hillary. They are voting for her for all the wrong reasons, those being 1) she's a democrat, and 2) she has a vagina. (Presumably.)


If she doesn't croak before the election, she will soon after. She is very sick and can barely make it through a sentence without falling into a coughing fit. And when she isn't coughing, she's barking.


Talk about a Clown Car!
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Old 05-11-2016, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Joe Biden is waiting on the wing. I predict in 2 month time we'll get an indictment and before the convention that Hillary has to step down and the DNC will vote to have Biden replace Hillary. Bernie is just a side show.

Obama may have one departing gift for Hillary. Biden is already being prepped for that event as he has recently mentioned his candidacy.
I think you have a strong point. Pesky laws!

"§1924. Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both."
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Old 05-11-2016, 10:09 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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I don't get this nonsense. She's beating him in popular vote and pledged delegates. But people keep trying to spin the votes as spelling out her imminent demise somehow. I mean... is logic not a thing anymore? At this point he can tighten the race but he can't win without the super delegates, so he'd have convince them to overrun the will of the voters as expressed thus far. Why can't we just say that instead of trying to twist math into pretzels of stupid?
Yes, that's it, and they are getting a lot of help making those pretzels from the media. I turned on the TV at 11:30 and Anderson Cooper was talking about how (in big, bold letters) BERNIE IS WINNING PRIMARIES, BUT HILLARY IS WINNING THE RACE

Now, let's pretend I never paid much attention to politics. I'd automatically shout, "Hey, they ain't fair!" I mean, I wouldn't be aware of the more than 3 million people who voted for Hillary over Bernie. I wouldn't realize that she slaughtered him on super Tuesday in March by winning 7 states, including many of the largest states in the country. I wouldn't know that, except for Calif & NJ where they have primaries in June, she's won the most populous states like Texas, Florida, New York and Pennsylvania. In fact, if I went to sleep early on April 26, I wouldn't know Hillary won 4 out of 5 states, because I keep hearing about how Bernie is winning each time he has a victory, even if it's in a small, red, mostly white state like Indiana or West Virginia.

So, although I totally agree with "I don't get this nonsense" I understand why so many people keep repeating it. Bernie says it, Jeff Weaver says it, Tad Devine says it and then people in the media start talking about it, so why wouldn't it be true? Michael Moore, who strongly supports Sanders, has been a guest of both Chris Hayes and Lawrence O'Donnell just in the past few nights. He called Clinton "weak" and and insisted Sanders still has a "path to victory."

About a week ago I watched Rachel Maddow, who has a PhD in Political Science from Oxford, show the actual statistics. She did the math and concluded that Hillary Clinton's lead is "insurmountable." At least she was stating the obvious. However, as this video explains, there's the obvious and then there's Bernie math.

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Old 05-12-2016, 04:13 AM
 
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Except a) the primaries are not over and b) she will in fact have significantly more than 2383 delegates committed to her by the end of the primaries.

But sure, keep trying to convince yourself that math doesn't work.
Actually it's up to you to prove this isn't true from the OP.
Hillary Clinton would have to win more than 90 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to secure the nomination through pledged delegates alone.
I agree with the author of that article. Large numbers of Democrats are voting for the socialist over Hillary. This, even in states, that hate socialists. She isn't going to win 90% of the remaining delegates.

Thus she will entered a contested convention, and it will be the un-elected Super Delegates that will have to save her. Hence the party apparatus selects Hillary instead of the voters.
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Old 05-12-2016, 04:31 AM
 
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Hillary Clinton is only about 140 delegates away from clinching the Democratic nomination for President.

Bernie Sanders is DOA, Hillary is focusing on Donald Trump!
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Old 05-12-2016, 04:42 AM
 
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Hillary Clinton is only about 140 delegates away from clinching the Democratic nomination for President.
Nope. And that isn't correct.

Pledged Delegates
  • Hillary Clinton - 1717
  • Bernie Sanders - 1437
Needed to Win
  • Needed - 2,383
Available Delegates
  • Remaining Primaries - 897
  • Super Delegates - 714
Hillary needs to win, ironically, 666, more delegates from the remaining 714 delegates to cinch this without the Super Delegates. Obviously this isn't going to happen. She's too weak & flawed to win it by the people's vote.
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Old 05-12-2016, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Hillary Clinton is only about 140 delegates away from clinching the Democratic nomination for President.

Bernie Sanders is DOA, Hillary is focusing on Donald Trump!
Bernie needs to win over 70% of the remaining delegates to just go match her total. I believe that a lot of Ron Pauls followers have latched on to Bernie as is evidenced by the wish that caucuses were the main way to vote.
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Old 05-12-2016, 04:45 AM
 
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Bernie needs to win over 70% of the remaining delegates to just go match her total. I believe that a lot of Ron Pauls followers have latched on to Bernie as is evidenced by the wish that caucuses were the main way to vote.
Incorrect.

There are only 280 delegates separating Hillary & Bernie. 897 remain.

Hillary currently only has about a 7% lead over Bernie in pledged (voted) delegates. This is a stunningly weak position considering all the advantages that she had coming into this race.
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Old 05-12-2016, 06:40 AM
 
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Hillary's as popular as a skunk at a church picnic.
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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Hillary's as popular as a skunk at a church picnic.
It's clear that she is so unpopular that she can't even win the Democrat nomination for President without the help of the party apparatus and super delegates.

It's now mathematically impossible for her to win the nomination without them.
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