Bernie Looks to have Won another California District (San Francisco) that Was originally called for Crooked Hillary (voting, Iraq)

[PCALMike]

Originally Posted by t206

The guy who lied to voters to try and get their votes by telling them that tuition and health care should be free? Yeah that seems totally honest from a clown that was a career politician for 40 years and never came close to implementing anything like that.

WTF? Lied to voters by presenting what he advocates and what he will fight for? What an absurd statement. I would say he was far more honest than other politicians as he constantly claimed that the president can don nothing by himself and is totally dependent on the people.

[richrf]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

WTF? Lied to voters by presenting what he advocates and what he will fight for? What an absurd statement. I would say he was far more honest than other politicians as he constantly claimed that the president can don nothing by himself and is totally dependent on the people.

The corrupt establishment politicos of both parties know exactly what to do with honest rebels - marginalize and ostracized. But the thing is, Clinton supporters don't care one iota about honesty. That is clear. They would have Sanders supporters believe what she is "saying". What a hoot. So desperate they are for the status quo, they would sacrifice the future of their own children to maintain it.

[Cheesesteak Cravings]

Originally Posted by t206

The guy who lied to voters to try and get their votes by telling them that tuition and health care should be free? Yeah that seems totally honest from a clown that was a career politician for 40 years and never came close to implementing anything like that.

You've spouted this nonsense before and you dodged when I applied the same logic to your favored candidate. I don't think you understand the definition of a "lie".

[MTQ3000]

God darn, the Democratic primary system is so rigged that it is giving votes to Bernie long after the election is done! You'd think that the rigged system would simply keep status quo or add votes to Hillary to make her victory more dominant.

Viva America!

Trump 2024

Mick

[t206]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

WTF? Lied to voters by presenting what he advocates and what he will fight for? What an absurd statement. I would say he was far more honest than other politicians as he constantly claimed that the president can don nothing by himself and is totally dependent on the people.

Free tuition is a pipe dream that could never be implemented and he knows that, same for free health care

Originally Posted by Cheesesteak Cravings

You've spouted this nonsense before and you dodged when I applied the same logic to your favored candidate. I don't think you understand the definition of a "lie".

Sorry if you think its nonsense, but I firmly believe that Sanders knew all along that 99% of what he preaches is undo-able.

I've never "dodged" anything, I've always tried to answer to the best of my ability. I may not respond to every post on here but I do have plenty of other things going on in my life so replying 1:1 on ever post here doesnt happen.

I fully understand the definition of a lie though, so thanks for questioning my ability to read and comprehend on an elementary level reading scale.

Overall I think its fair to question the motive and honesty of a career 40 year politician who bases the majority of his platform on giving things away in an effort to launder votes.

[MTQ3000]

Originally Posted by t206

Free tuition is a pipe dream that could never be implemented and he knows that, same for free health care



Sorry if you think its nonsense, but I firmly believe that Sanders knew all along that 99% of what he preaches is undo-able.

I've never "dodged" anything, I've always tried to answer to the best of my ability. I may not respond to every post on here but I do have plenty of other things going on in my life so replying 1:1 on ever post here doesnt happen.

I fully understand the definition of a lie though, so thanks for questioning my ability to read and comprehend on an elementary level reading scale.

Overall I think its fair to question the motive and honesty of a career 40 year politician who bases the majority of his platform on giving things away in an effort to launder votes.

No, they are "doable" alright . . . . but they are not possible with current Republican Congress.

Mick

[t206]

Originally Posted by MTQ3000

No, they are "doable" alright . . . . but they are not possible with current Republican Congress.

Mick

Nope, not doable with our current form of government, you cant put the blame squarely on one party or government alone.

Schools have too much debt, too many high paid professors with huge pensions, health care is burdened with lobbyists that have bought both parties, and it exists in a non-competitive environment with grossly inflated costs. You cant start giving away healthcare when the basic foundation of its pricing model is so inflated. I believe the solution for health care is to fix the pricing model so its transparent and more free-market aligned, that should help make it much more affordable. Its no coincidence that its one of the only "products" that you have zero insight into the pricing model on, yet the prices are astronomically high. Its all smoke and mirrors by government and the industry to keep it that way so they can line their pockets.

[Daywalk]

Hillary is still winning in the entire San Francisco County: 54-46
President Democratic - Statewide Results | primary Election | California Secretary of State

[PCALMike]

Originally Posted by t206

Free tuition is a pipe dream that could never be implemented and he knows that, same for free health care
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Dont you support the biggest pipe dream of all, something that has never been implemented anywhere in the history of mankind, libertarianism? This is very ironic. Meanwhile, every single developed country in the world has implemented a national health care system and lots of countries have tuition free public universities.

The cost of public tuition is $70 billion per year. 2% of the cost of the Iraq war which was $3 trillion or 50 years of tuition free college. Keep trolling. You have no arguments, just endless insults and personal attacks. Perhaps because you know that your libertarian agenda has no chance of gaining majority support unlike social democratic policies which shows majority support among the American people.

[t206]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

Dont you support the biggest pipe dream of all, something that has never been implemented anywhere in the history of mankind, libertarianism? This is very ironic. Meanwhile, every single developed country in the world has implemented a national health care system and lots of countries have tuition free public universities.

The cost of public tuition is $70 billion per year. 2% of the cost of the Iraq war which was $3 trillion or 50 years of tuition free college. Keep trolling. You have no arguments, just endless insults and personal attacks. Perhaps because you know that your libertarian agenda has no chance of gaining majority support unlike social democratic policies which shows majority support among the American people.

Nope, thats where you are wrong, yet again. Regardless of what candidate I support, I would never support 100% full implementation of one particular brand of political philosophy, because none to your point have ever been 100% fully and successfully implemented. I support Johnson and the Libertarian platform because I find the whole religious extremism and overlooking equal rights for all by the Republicans distasteful, while I also REALLY have issues with most Democratic economic policies. I see the voice of the Libertarian party as being a good mix of what would help reign in those two extremes that I mention. I don't have grand illusions of Libertarian philosophy become the majority in thi sor any country,much like I know that wont happen with the social democratic policies which Bernie Sanders has already shown to be a failure as he couldn't even get a majority of the democratic party to vote for him. So at best MAYBE 1/4 of the country somewhat favors it, but I think they more favor the policy of "anyone but Trump or Clinton" much like many republicans support. Using this election to claim majority support for any party of philosophy is built on incredibly shaky logic.

So you want to unspend what we spent on the Iraq war? Did you get the receipt for that? I know I didn't but I'm pretty sure that we are past any refund period. Some of my issues with free tuition are similar to my issues with free healthcare. That being that the pricing structures are so screwed up and the pricing SO overly inflated that simply shifting it from the consumer to the tax payer doesn't fix the underlying problem of why its un-affordable. Shifting the cost to the tax payer just makes the same folks suffer, just over a longer period of time. MAYBE if we could get the pricing situation figured out I would feel better about some sort of government subsidy, but no way no how right now, its unsustainable.

Sorry if you think that my disagreeing with your political philosophy is "trolling" and "insulting" with "personal attacks" and no arguments, but that is just ridiculous.