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Old 07-20-2016, 02:10 AM
 
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Felony Clinton is a criminal. anyone who supports her, supports corrupting and the ruination of America..
Why do you hate America????
Just another unfounded insult from a spooky Trump supporter.

Personally, I can't think of a worse President in my lifetime than George W. Bush, and most of his supporters still are in Congress. Putting a snake oil salesman like Donald Trump (e.g., Trump University) in the White House to enable them once again is frightening.

Sadly, I have little hope that Clinton will tackle the tough issues at hand, but at least she doesn't thumb her nose at scientists warning of a global climate change catastrophe.

My belief is that two of the world's great problems, and actually the source of much of the radicalism and terrorism, is the burgeoning human population especially in places like the Indian sub-continent, the Middle East, and Africa, and ongoing global environmental destruction on a vast scale. On the former, even the Democrats are silent. On the latter, only those ignorant of reality would support Trump, who advocates burning even more coal, one of the greatest sources of greenhouse gases.

My belief is that Trump supporters fundamentally are science deniers who have no interest in conserving the world's resources and preserving the environment, nor consequently the future of humanity.

Sadly, there is no mention in the U.S. political debate about ocean acidification, the destruction of global fisheries, or even the ongoing demise of North American forests due to climate change and such unleashed pests as the pine beetle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

Ravaged woodlands | The Economist

As some one who respects scientists and who has seen first hand the ravaging of the American environment in recent decades, it's difficult to any longer support any Republican, let alone Donald Trump. Sadly, the Democrats fail to check human population growth and immigration to the U.S. despite their acknowledgement of the overwhelming environmental threats. In my mind, population growth in the U.S., let alone in destitute areas of the world, is a disaster.

As far as immigration, if the House Republicans hadn't blocked the bill passed by the Senate in 2013, immigration would be well under control now in the U.S. It would have been by now difficult to employ illegal immigrants. I didn't like all provisions of that bill, but it was much better than nothing, today's status quo.

The reality is that many of Trump/Republican supporters are advocates of cheap labor and immigration, like Trump prospective money man Sheldon Adelson, whose casinos have benefited from cheap labor resulting from illegal immigration, just as has Trump.

Sheldon Adelson arrives, but stays silent on Trump - POLITICO

See point 4 here, notably a basic necessity of any legislation needed to reduce illegal immigration, and a point never mentioned by Trump or most Republicans.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...summary-093557

Three years have passed since the demise of the Senate immigration bill at the hands of the House Republicans, and yet we still have no Republican immigration bill passed by the House. What does that tell you? Stories like this sicken me, and until we have workable controls preventing the employment of illegal immigrants, situations such as this will continue to fuel illegal immigration to the U.S.

http://www.cleveland.com/court-justi...ed_leader.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...405_story.html

Once I read that the going rate for a suicide bomber in many places in the world was $200. A world of desperate, alienated and unfulfilled people does not bode well for the future. The U.S. fiscal year budget deficit once again is increasing, estimated at $600 billion for this FY. We can't afford to deal with the existing threats, let alone what is coming.

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Old 07-20-2016, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Felony Clinton is a criminal. anyone who supports her, supports corrupting and the ruination of America..
Why do you hate America????
Yep.... but the alternative is Donald Trump, so.....
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Old 07-20-2016, 02:51 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I never understand those voters who are actually swayed by who some other person says they are voting for.

Do people really sit there and think "yes, I was going to vote for Trump, but since Bush says he is not, I now am not going to vote for Trump also."

Talk about low information voters...
If you Trust JEB and not Donald, then you will hold JEB's opinion of him as a good indicator.
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Old 07-20-2016, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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Jeb Bush and Kasich have both killed any chance that they will ever become nominated on a national level to any Republican position because of their turning their back on their pledge to support the nominee of the party. This will be especially true if, by their actions, they cause Trump to lose in November and we end up with Hillary as President.

They are cutting their own throats. Their political futures will remain at the state level, if at all, for the rest of their lives.

I would still prefer to see Cruz as our nominee, but I will still support Trump.
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:14 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Jeb Bush and Kasich have both killed any chance that they will ever become nominated on a national level to any Republican position because of their turning their back on their pledge to support the nominee of the party. This will be especially true if, by their actions, they cause Trump to lose in November and we end up with Hillary as President.

They are cutting their own throats. Their political futures will remain at the state level, if at all, for the rest of their lives.

I would still prefer to see Cruz as our nominee, but I will still support Trump.
I don't think so.


First of all, Kasich is not on the National stage right now and that is not what this thread is about. It's about going into KASICH'S home state, where he is very popular, and dissing him.


With regard to winning OHIO - yes, it could matter.


Many people applaud Kasich's refusal to endorse Trump or have anything to do with him as a sign of his moral backbone. He says it's because he doesn't want to have to explain to his two daughters years from now - why he promoted such an obvious misogynist.


People believe it.


The thing is - there is just not one good reason to dis a popular Governor in a state that Trump needs to win.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Jeb Bush and Kasich have both killed any chance that they will ever become nominated on a national level to any Republican position because of their turning their back on their pledge to support the nominee of the party. This will be especially true if, by their actions, they cause Trump to lose in November and we end up with Hillary as President.

They are cutting their own throats. Their political futures will remain at the state level, if at all, for the rest of their lives.

I would still prefer to see Cruz as our nominee, but I will still support Trump.
Not necessarily. They might choose to concentrate their resources on defending GOP seats in Congress, which is pretty critical for the Republicans this year. In Ohio, Senator Rob Portman is up for reelection this year and he is in for a fight from Strickland.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I'm pretty sure those 5 voters that supported Bush who aren't big donors, lobbyists, Fox News panelists or working on Capitol Hill don't all live in Ohio.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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He won't be made to rah rah the election. As long as he see's that the state party's resources are made available he stays on their good side.
Well, he might direct or at the very least, encourage the state party's resources to concentrate on downtick elections. Like US Senator Rob Portman's reelection. State and local elections. State and local parties can issue out fliers encouraging Republican voters to vote for GOP candidates and omit Trump's name on the top.

So yeah, possible for Kasich to give Trump some lip service, but little else.

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Old 07-20-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Trump has a big fantasy if he thinks it will be easy to win the Florida and Ohio swing states without the help of Republican stalwarts Jeb Bush and John Kasich, respectively.

Jeb Bush says he won't vote for Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...0645_story.htm

Then this morning, the Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort shockingly attacked the popular Ohio Republican Gov. Kasich. Kasich's chief political strategist slammed back:

<<
Asked about the criticism, Mr. Weaver escalated the dispute. He not only mocked Mr. Trump’s rambling and at-times awkward introduction of Mike Pence as his running mate on Saturday, but also pointedly brought up Mr. Manafort’s history of working with contentious foreign leaders.
“Manafort’s problem, after all those years on the lam with thugs and autocrats, is that he can’t recognize principle and integrity,” Mr. Weaver wrote in an email. “I do congratulate him though on a great pivot at the start of the convention after such a successful vice-presidential launch. He has brought great professionalism, direct from Kiev, to Trump world.”>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us...-rnc.html?_r=0

In response, the petulant Kasich essentially hit the Trump Ohio campaign broadside with a torpedo on tonight's NBC Nightly News. Maybe it's my imagination, but Kasich actually seems gleeful as he twists his knife into the Trump campaign in that interview.

John Kasich Tells Lester Holt that Trump Would "Have to Change Everything" for His Support - NBC News

Kasich gave Lester Holt Hillary's number one Ohio sound bite, and Kasich had to know it.

Clearly, Kasich has decided to begin his campaign for the 2020 Republican nomination today.

Kasich actually is undermining Trump's support in delegations from other states while refusing to set foot in the RNC hall in his home state.

Kasich takes backhanded shot at Trump in speech to Illinois convention delegates - Chicago Tribune

It seems like Kasich now is actively campaigning against Trump. How bizarre is this development?

Did Trump's campaign just kiss Ohio good-bye on the first day of the Cleveland convention?

Stories like this are appearing across the Buckeye state today. Brilliant politics. Not.

Donald Trump's campaign shows how not to kick off a convention: Analysis | cleveland.com

Moreover, the Trump campaign has terrified Ohio Republicans by attempting to leech onto the campaign of embattled incumbent Republican Senator Rob Portman.

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"It's not going to hurt us,'' Manafort said. "We said, 'Ok, you don’t want to be with us? We'll take care of the party in Ohio. We're going to work with Rob Portman, we're going to make sure Rob Portman gets re-elected, and we're going to win Ohio.''
Portman campaign spokeswoman Michawn Rich called Manafort's comments about Portman being angry with Kasich "totally false.''"Rob Portman and John Kasich are working hand in hand to defeat Ted Strickland and any suggestion otherwise is inaccurate,'' Rich said in an e-mail statement.>>

http://www.crainscleveland.com/artic...-must-win-ohio

Democratic negative campaign ad writers probably already are gearing up attack ads linking Portman to Trump, and hoping they can get a shot of Portman shaking Trump's hand.

And Trump supporters believe that Trump can negotiate with foreign leaders when he has managed to alienate a good chunk of the Republican leadership and their supporters?
No one cares if establishment republicans don't get in line behind Trump. Pointless thread
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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No one cares if establishment republicans don't get in line behind Trump. Pointless thread
You're right. I sure don't, because it will hurt the Republicans' electoral chances because so-called establishment Republicans have access to resources that can help Trump, and they're less likely to deploy them to their greatest extent possible if they feel his presence is hurting the rest of the GOP ticket in other elections.
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