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I expect Clinton to win but are are also mindful that Trump can win if Democrats stay home or vote for Jill Stein. I am cautiously optimistic.
This. I am not over-confident because I never thought the American electorate would ever let Trump get this close to the White House to begin with. This is a crazy election season, like none I've seen before. Cautiously optimistic is where I'm at as well.
This. I am not over-confident because I never thought the American electorate would ever let Trump get this close to the White House to begin with. This is a crazy election season, like none I've seen before. Cautiously optimistic is where I'm at as well.
The Clinton campaign elite that partied at the convention tends to live and operate in the rarefied world of the east and west coasts of the US. They don't spend a lot of time in the small towns of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia that will decide this election.
These are towns where a lot of people hate Hillary Clinton, really, really hate her. They may be underestimating the strength of that antipathy.
Boy does working-class America ever hate Clinton......with a passion!
No. The Democratic party doesn't just exist in that world you mentioned. Democrats exist all over Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, and no matter how much they may hate Clinton, Trump scares far too many voters. Fear is powerful in comparison to discontent, and Clinton isn't hated nearly as much as you think. Stuck with 2 bad choices, voters are going to go with their traditional favorite party over the candidates.
That's a given now in both parties. Easily as many Republicans dislike Trump as much as the Democrats dislike Clinton. That's proven in the polling. And when it comes to party approval, the Democratic party is exactly 50/50. 49% of the voters like the party, 49% don't. The Republican party now has only 39% of the voters who like the party the best. That percentage has risen almost 10 points over 2016, but not enough to win the White House.
The Democrats know very well how unpopular Clinton is. They aren't taking anything for granted at all.
The fact that Trump is even more unpopular right now isn't a sure thing.
Trump could actually abandon his lifelong habits and ways because the stakes are so high, even though its doubtful. If he does, soon, he still stands a chance of pulling a few unhappy Democrats into his tent, along with more independents and undecided voters, and that's something the Democratic party fully realizes. If he fails to do so, all the statistics are against him winning.
Take it to the bank the Democratic party isn't counting on Trump to keep burying himself every week and drops the shovel.
They all know his magnetism can pull him out of the hole he dug himself if he just quits doing what he's doing now. Charming Trump is a lot cuter than Angry Trump. No one denies or ignores that.
Yet, despite being fully aware of the 'chances' of Trump digging himself out of that hole, of capturing independents and some democrats, the Democrat Party, and the Clinton campaign failed to take appropriate action like campaigning where the electoral college votes were, that counted and in were in doubt.
Every Californian could have voted for Clinton and it would not have mattered. What better support is there for the Electoral College system we have as being the best for ~240 years.
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Originally Posted by banjomike
No. The Democratic party doesn't just exist in that world you mentioned. Democrats exist all over Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, and no matter how much they may hate Clinton, Trump scares far too many voters. Fear is powerful in comparison to discontent, and Clinton isn't hated nearly as much as you think. Stuck with 2 bad choices, voters are going to go with their traditional favorite party over the candidates.
That's a given now in both parties. Easily as many Republicans dislike Trump as much as the Democrats dislike Clinton. That's proven in the polling. And when it comes to party approval, the Democratic party is exactly 50/50. 49% of the voters like the party, 49% don't. The Republican party now has only 39% of the voters who like the party the best. That percentage has risen almost 10 points over 2016, but not enough to win the White House.
The Democrats know very well how unpopular Clinton is. They aren't taking anything for granted at all.
The fact that Trump is even more unpopular right now isn't a sure thing.
Trump could actually abandon his lifelong habits and ways because the stakes are so high, even though its doubtful. If he does, soon, he still stands a chance of pulling a few unhappy Democrats into his tent, along with more independents and undecided voters, and that's something the Democratic party fully realizes. If he fails to do so, all the statistics are against him winning.
Take it to the bank the Democratic party isn't counting on Trump to keep burying himself every week and drops the shovel.
They all know his magnetism can pull him out of the hole he dug himself if he just quits doing what he's doing now. Charming Trump is a lot cuter than Angry Trump. No one denies or ignores that.
The Clinton campaign elite that partied at the convention tends to live and operate in the rarefied world of the east and west coasts of the US. They don't spend a lot of time in the small towns of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia that will decide this election.
These are towns where a lot of people hate Hillary Clinton, really, really hate her. They may be underestimating the strength of that antipathy.
War is a mere continuation of politics by other means.”
-- Clausewitz
The reason for conceding elections and dialing down the partisan rhetoric for a year or so after a presidential election is that the point of politics is to avoid civil war. We ratify, in other words, a peace treaty between the Ins and the Outs until next time.
The Democrats and the mainstream media are not doing this. Al Gore conceded the election and then un-conceded it. And Hillary Clinton has gone along with all this “resistance” stuff. Sorry Hillary, even if the left managed to un-seat Trump, you will not be president and you still have to regain over 1000 seats.
The MSM is completely biased at this point. If you watch or pay attention to the MSM, you're going to think this country is a lot different than it actually is.
Most people in rural America see the MSM as nothing but pure BS because in their world it is pure BS. From my experience most people that that where born and raised in urban America have no idea what's actually outside of their fish bowls. This is why it seems preposterous that Trump got elected to so many of them. If I didn't know a single person that didn't hate this guy, I would probably have thought there's no way he could have won as well.
Just imagine how bizarre the news would seem to people living in urban areas if conservatives completely controlled the media.
I guess how "lefty" you think someone is depends on where you're standing. Be careful. Don't want you to fall of the stage and hurt yourself.
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