Hey Bernie voters, is Obama still playing 11-dimensional chess? School us. (Congress, thought)

[mm4]

'Cause we know the Bernie shirt wearers are super smart. Show us the way.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by mm4

'Cause we know the Bernie shirt wearers are super smart. Show us the way.

The flaw in your argument of course is that you are now admitting that Barack Obama is playign the middle ground, and there for you are admitting all you have said about him is a lie.

[mm4]

Obamacare, open borders, "spread the wealth around," gun control, Muslim Syrian refugees, is the "middle ground"?

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by mm4

Obamacare, open borders, "spread the wealth around," gun control, Muslim Syrian refugees, is the "middle ground"?

Absolutely Obamacare is the middle ground, do you actually need a timeline and the negotiations on that, or where you joking?????

"Spread the wealth around" is a phrase, post the name of the law you are talking about and then I will respond.


Gun control, the US Congress didnt enact any gun control measured during the Obama administration, again, give me the name of the law and we will talk.


Syrian refugees are a middle ground. No one seems to be against letting them come here in and of itself, they just want to make sure they arent terrorist.

[mm4]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Absolutely Obamacare is the middle ground, do you actually need a timeline and the negotiations on that, or where you joking?????

"Spread the wealth around" is a phrase, post the name of the law you are talking about and then I will respond.


Gun control, the US Congress didnt enact any gun control measured during the Obama administration, again, give me the name of the law and we will talk.


Syrian refugees are a middle ground. No one seems to be against letting them come here in and of itself, they just want to make sure they arent terrorist.

Telling individuals they must buy opulent health insurance policies or the IRS will go after them is as left wing socialist as humanly possible.

"Spread the wealth around" is Barack's own quote.

Progressives can't claim that failure of passage of their gun control preoccupations somehow means they didn't try.

Flooding the country with Muslim Syrian immigrants is a left wing cause.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by mm4

Telling individuals they must buy opulent health insurance policies or the IRS will go after them is as left wing socialist as humanly possible.

except the heritage foundation argued the very same thing.

"Spread the wealth around" is Barack's own quote.

I never said it wasnt, im asking you to define what it means by posting the legislation that followed.

Progressives can't claim that failure of passage of their gun control preoccupations somehow means they didn't try.

Im not a progressive, im a liberal, and I also didnt argue that at all. As I remember Pat Toomey worked on gun control legislation and polls showed that even republicans supported it. Again, how is that not middle ground ????

Flooding the country with Muslim Syrian immigrants is a left wing cause.

Again, no one has said they are against letting them come here, it is the level of scrutiny that seems to be the the difference between the left and right.

the only way any of the above arguments work in your favor is if you are claiming everyone to the left of you is "the left".

That fallacy wouldnt hold up in any argument .

[mm4]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

except the heritage foundation argued the very same thing.

The Heritage Foundation is neocon (aka leftist, Rockefeller Republican). Neocons are "neo" (i.e., 'new-,' 'improved-,' 'leftie anodyne-') for a reason: it is literally Trotskyism, on record, brought into the U.S. by Bill Kristol's father, Irving Kristol, via Mexico City in the 1950s. Neocons are simply leftist Repubs:

_"Memoirs of a Trotskyist,"_ by Irving Kristol (Bill's dad)
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Originally Posted by dsjj251

I never said it wasnt, im asking you to define what it means by posting the legislation that followed.

Again, you confuse a policy position with whether he successfully fulfilled it. Failure of implementation doesn't negate motive. That's a common logical mistake that leftists make.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Im not a progressive, im a liberal,...

You are a progressive. The only comments you ever post have a hard leftist perspective. Don't walk in here pretending you're not a wolf; nobody sees that.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

As I remember Pat Toomey worked on gun control legislation and polls and polls showed that even republicans supported it. Again how is that not middle ground ????

1. Pat Toomey isn't a conservative.
2. Leftists claim polls show whatever they want.
3. Lots of Americans are leftists. If even more than half of them were progressive leftist, there still is no "middle ground" at the demarcation--again, a logical fallacy made by the left.
4. Gallup released surveys that showed most Americans didn't want more gun legislation.

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Again, no one has said they are against letting them come here,....

A lot of conservatives are against what Jacob Javits termed opening "the floodgates." What you advocate is unequivocally progressive leftist.

[dsjj251]

As I thought. You are arguing that anyone to the left of you isnt really a conservative. There is no point in having a discussion if that is your position.