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Old 09-20-2016, 08:37 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Icy Tea View Post
Hillary is the establishment candidate. These republicans, and just as many dems are on the same team. The same team the Bushes and Obama and the Clintons and Cheney are on.
That would be one way to look at it; to assume this is part of a "establishment conspiracy". Most rational people are going to look at this and draw a different conclusion; namely that it is eye-opening that this many conservatives are voting against Trump. Always a few outliers in any election; but this is completely unprecedented. This trend says a lot more than any number of posts on this forum or in the Twittersphere.

 
Old 09-20-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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I thought this was common knowledge. I don't understand why posts continually pop up about Republicans voting for Clinton.
It's annoying the way these posts keep "popping up" isn't it? I had no idea we had this many prominent Republicans voting for Clinton. You always have a few jumping ship in any election but this is totally unprecedented.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 08:45 AM
 
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It's annoying the way these posts keep "popping up" isn't it? I had no idea we had this many prominent Republicans voting for Clinton. You always have a few jumping ship in any election but this is totally unprecedented.
Not really. A lot of us realized the system was a sham before corrupt Republicans exposed themselves. Which is why Trump is doing so well.


For example, Bush Sr. (who only got elected due to the popularity of Reagan) quickly revealed himself to be an establishment NWO president and only served one term because Americans reject that ideology.


We were not going to let another Bush in, which is why the predetermined Republican candidate Jeb! was rejected during the primaries. These Republicans are just stepping forward to confirm what we already knew, so it is not unprecedented, it is predictable.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave View Post
Here's a handy reference of some prominent Republicans that have declared that they are voting for Hillary Clinton. Senators, Representatives, Governors - even a former Republican President. I am curious; how do Trump supporters explain this? Seems there are quite a few cold stone sober conservatives that are willing to go on public record that Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton will be a better POTUS than Donald Trump.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

George HW Bush
Former President of the United States

and

Christine Todd Whitman
Former governor of New Jersey

Robert J. Dold
Representative of Illinois

Peter Wehner
Former official in the Reagan and both Bush administration

Ben Sasse
Senator of Nebraska

Tom Coleman
Former representative of Missouri

Carlos M. Gutierrez
President George W. Bush’s commerce secretary

Robert Tuttle
Former ambassador to Britain under George W. Bush

David Durenberger
Former senator of Minnesota

Fred T. Goldberg Jr.
I.R.S. commissioner under President George Bush

Connie Morella
Former representative of Maryland

William K. Reilly
Former Environmental Protection Agency administrator

William D. Ruckelshaus- Former Environmental Protection Agency administrator

Robert D. Blackwill
Former top Iraq adviser on the National Security Council

Eliot A. Cohen
Former State Department counselor

Michael Chertoff
Former secretary of Homeland Security

Patrick M. Cronin
Former assistant administrator of the Agency for International Development

Eric S. Edelman
Former national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney

Jim Kolbe
Former representative of Arizona

Gus Coldebella
Former acting general counsel at the Department of Homeland Security

Chester A. Crocker
Assistant secretary of state for African affairs in the Reagan administration

Richard A. Falkenrath
Former deputy homeland security adviser to President George W. Bush

Peter Feaver
National security official in the George W. Bush administration

Richard Fontaine
Former State Department and National Security Council official

Myriah Jordan
Former special assistant to President George W. Bush

Frances Townsend
Former deputy national security adviser under President George W. Bush

Francis Q. Hoang
Former associate counsel to President George W. Bush

Aaron Friedberg
Former deputy national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney

Kenneth Adelman
Former director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency

Frank Lavin
Under secretary of commerce for President George W. Bush; political director in the Reagan White House

Mary Beth Long
Former assistant secretary of defense

James K. Glassman
Former under secretary of state

Richard Miles
Former director for North America, National Security Council

Andrew S. Natsios
Former administrator of the Agency for International Development

Nicholas Rostow
Former legal adviser to the National Security Council

Kori Schake
Former director of defense strategy at the National Security Council

Kristen Silverberg
Former assistant secretary of state

William H. Tobey
Former deputy administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration

Dov S. Zakheim
Former under secretary of defense

Robert B. Zoellick
Former United States trade representative

Philip D. Zelikow
Former counselor of the State Department

David Gordon
Former director of policy planning at the State Department

Paul Haenle
Former director for China and Taiwan, National Security Council

William Inboden
Former strategic adviser at the National Security Council

David Kramer
Former assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights and labor

Robert G. Joseph
Former under secretary of state for arms control and international security affairs

Scott W. Muller
Former C.I.A. general counsel

Stephen D. Krasner
Former policy planning director at the State Department

Roger F. Noriega
Former assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs

Roger Zakheim
Former deputy assistant secretary of defense

Paul D. Miller
Former director for Afghanistan and Pakistan, National Security Council

Paul D. Wolfowitz
Former deputy defense secretary

Ken Mehlman
Former White House political director and Republican National Committee chairman

Mel Martinez
Former Florida senator and R.N.C. chairman

Scott Rigell
Representative of Virginia

Charlie Baker
Governor of Massachusett
I will start by asking you where you got this crazy list? and second, do you realize a huge number of Republicans on this list are anything but conservatives or even middle of the road. The article states these have indicated they are voting for Hillary; this is very different from saying: they are voting for her. In fact a few have simply said they would not support him, not they were supporting her: not quite the same.

Last edited by nmnita; 09-20-2016 at 09:01 AM..
 
Old 09-20-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave View Post
Here's a handy reference of some prominent Republicans that have declared that they are voting for Hillary Clinton. Senators, Representatives, Governors - even a former Republican President. I am curious; how do Trump supporters explain this? Seems there are quite a few cold stone sober conservatives that are willing to go on public record that Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton will be a better POTUS than Donald Trump.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

George HW Bush
Former President of the United States

and

Christine Todd Whitman
Former governor of New Jersey

Robert J. Dold
Representative of Illinois

Peter Wehner
Former official in the Reagan and both Bush administration

Ben Sasse
Senator of Nebraska

Tom Coleman
Former representative of Missouri

Carlos M. Gutierrez
President George W. Bush’s commerce secretary

Robert Tuttle
Former ambassador to Britain under George W. Bush

David Durenberger
Former senator of Minnesota

Fred T. Goldberg Jr.
I.R.S. commissioner under President George Bush

Connie Morella
Former representative of Maryland

William K. Reilly
Former Environmental Protection Agency administrator

William D. Ruckelshaus- Former Environmental Protection Agency administrator

Robert D. Blackwill
Former top Iraq adviser on the National Security Council

Eliot A. Cohen
Former State Department counselor

Michael Chertoff
Former secretary of Homeland Security

Patrick M. Cronin
Former assistant administrator of the Agency for International Development

Eric S. Edelman
Former national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney

Jim Kolbe
Former representative of Arizona

Gus Coldebella
Former acting general counsel at the Department of Homeland Security

Chester A. Crocker
Assistant secretary of state for African affairs in the Reagan administration

Richard A. Falkenrath
Former deputy homeland security adviser to President George W. Bush

Peter Feaver
National security official in the George W. Bush administration

Richard Fontaine
Former State Department and National Security Council official

Myriah Jordan
Former special assistant to President George W. Bush

Frances Townsend
Former deputy national security adviser under President George W. Bush

Francis Q. Hoang
Former associate counsel to President George W. Bush

Aaron Friedberg
Former deputy national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney

Kenneth Adelman
Former director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency

Frank Lavin
Under secretary of commerce for President George W. Bush; political director in the Reagan White House

Mary Beth Long
Former assistant secretary of defense

James K. Glassman
Former under secretary of state

Richard Miles
Former director for North America, National Security Council

Andrew S. Natsios
Former administrator of the Agency for International Development

Nicholas Rostow
Former legal adviser to the National Security Council

Kori Schake
Former director of defense strategy at the National Security Council

Kristen Silverberg
Former assistant secretary of state

William H. Tobey
Former deputy administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration

Dov S. Zakheim
Former under secretary of defense

Robert B. Zoellick
Former United States trade representative

Philip D. Zelikow
Former counselor of the State Department

David Gordon
Former director of policy planning at the State Department

Paul Haenle
Former director for China and Taiwan, National Security Council

William Inboden
Former strategic adviser at the National Security Council

David Kramer
Former assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights and labor

Robert G. Joseph
Former under secretary of state for arms control and international security affairs

Scott W. Muller
Former C.I.A. general counsel

Stephen D. Krasner
Former policy planning director at the State Department

Roger F. Noriega
Former assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs

Roger Zakheim
Former deputy assistant secretary of defense

Paul D. Miller
Former director for Afghanistan and Pakistan, National Security Council

Paul D. Wolfowitz
Former deputy defense secretary

Ken Mehlman
Former White House political director and Republican National Committee chairman

Mel Martinez
Former Florida senator and R.N.C. chairman

Scott Rigell
Representative of Virginia

Charlie Baker
Governor of Massachusett


that's it????? 55 people! 40% to 45% of Bernie Supporters will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton, that is the bigger story.

Trump can win without these establishment Republicans, Hillary can't win with just 55% of support of Bernie Supporters, that is a fact.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave View Post
You think the "500+ paid Hillary internet trolls" forced these Republicans to commit to Clinton? Not quite following your logic here.
not legit: Just because wiki says it, doesn't make it true. I think there are a couple on the list that say they will not vote for Trump but have not publically endorsed Hillary as the article indicates.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Big list of globalists who are a big part of the corrupt government we have. We know they were Rino's.. Republican in name only. It took Trump to weed them out for all to see ..
 
Old 09-20-2016, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by GearHeadDave View Post
It's annoying the way these posts keep "popping up" isn't it? I had no idea we had this many prominent Republicans voting for Clinton. You always have a few jumping ship in any election but this is totally unprecedented.
To call them "prominent" is a bit of a stretch. Greedy career minded globalists seems more apt.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 09:22 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Originally Posted by Icy Tea View Post
Hillary is the establishment candidate. These republicans, and just as many dems are on the same team. The same team the Bushes and Obama and the Clintons and Cheney are on.
I knew the word "establishment" would come up! In this case, it just refers to politicians with experience, who have an idea of how to run a country - unlike Trump - and who therefore are rightfully aware that Trump would be a disaster who would have no idea what he's doing.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ELOrocks17 View Post
To call them "prominent" is a bit of a stretch. Greedy career minded globalists seems more apt.
Well quite a few are Senators, Representative, Governors. I understand that such a list makes the Trump camp pretty uncomfortable. Would be better not to talk about this. Or to spin up some way to discount it.
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