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Registered Libertarian here, but I keep going going back to the Shy Tory Factor. It's going to play a big role in this election. I think Trump wins by 4%.
Really? Tell us which states Trump is gonna flip in the electoral college and get back to us. I won't hold my breath.
American voters should be outraged with the pathetic choices presented by the two major parties. We are left with choosing between a skunk with black stripes on a white background or a skunk with white stripes on a black background. I realize most of us are sick and tired of being played, but no matter which one we vote for the average American will lose.
The only gain of this election process is that it has become very clear that our elections are manipulated by the top money. According to an "election expert" on a news show this morning voters will vote for the candidate the news media is pushing in the last 21 days. It is obvious that a majority of voters are swayed by the commentary on tv and the news media polls. Think back to the beginning when all we heard on the news was Clinton, Clinton, Clinton. No one knew Bernie was running for about three months from what was on tv. Even so, Bernie almost won but then we need to look at the super delegates and Clinton had them sewed up from the gitgo. Bernie didn't stand a chance. Now we are watching Trump get sliced and diced and I feel certain the Clinton team has more dirty crap on Trump.
I hope this election will awaken voters to see the need of a new political party that will represent the masses of good hard working Americans. Americans want a champion who is not a puppet of the rich but I don't think Trump is that champion.
I think Clinton will win and can only hope America will survive her term in office.
He gives people hope that they can regain control from the power elite and the forces that are holding them down, and they're willing to take the first option that comes along. This was how Hitler got into office when he ran for chancellor, the country was coming out of an unsuccessful war and the economy was spiraling downward, he promised a lot to the common man with very few details of how he would get them there and he created a nemesis to blame their woes on and a target for retribution. Unfortunately, history frequently repeats itself.
I made another thread about Trump being Hitler-esque. THis is the similarity. Trump "speaks" to those wanting to hear what he is saying, without any clue of ramifications of putting a Trump in office, someone who has yet to truly tell Americans what he will do for all that ails us, like internal poverty, the healthcare system, etc.
american voters should be outraged with the pathetic choices presented by the two major parties. We are left with choosing between a skunk with black stripes on a white background or a skunk with white stripes on a black background. I realize most of us are sick and tired of being played, but no matter which one we vote for the average american will lose.
The only gain of this election process is that it has become very clear that our elections are manipulated by the top money. According to an "election expert" on a news show this morning voters will vote for the candidate the news media is pushing in the last 21 days. It is obvious that a majority of voters are swayed by the commentary on tv and the news media polls. Think back to the beginning when all we heard on the news was clinton, clinton, clinton. No one knew bernie was running for about three months from what was on tv. Even so, bernie almost won but then we need to look at the super delegates and clinton had them sewed up from the gitgo. Bernie didn't stand a chance. Now we are watching trump get sliced and diced and i feel certain the clinton team has more dirty crap on trump.
I hope this election will awaken voters to see the need of a new political party that will represent the masses of good hard working americans. Americans want a champion who is not a puppet of the rich but i don't think trump is that champion.
I think clinton will win and can only hope america will survive her term in office.
American voters should be outraged with the pathetic choices presented by the two major parties. We are left with choosing between a skunk with black stripes on a white background or a skunk with white stripes on a black background. I realize most of us are sick and tired of being played, but no matter which one we vote for the average American will lose.
The only gain of this election process is that it has become very clear that our elections are manipulated by the top money. According to an "election expert" on a news show this morning voters will vote for the candidate the news media is pushing in the last 21 days. It is obvious that a majority of voters are swayed by the commentary on tv and the news media polls. Think back to the beginning when all we heard on the news was Clinton, Clinton, Clinton. No one knew Bernie was running for about three months from what was on tv. Even so, Bernie almost won but then we need to look at the super delegates and Clinton had them sewed up from the gitgo. Bernie didn't stand a chance. Now we are watching Trump get sliced and diced and I feel certain the Clinton team has more dirty crap on Trump.
I hope this election will awaken voters to see the need of a new political party that will represent the masses of good hard working Americans. Americans want a champion who is not a puppet of the rich but I don't think Trump is that champion.
I think Clinton will win and can only hope America will survive her term in office.
I agree but the Republicrats have a stranglehold on us and the US has been two party since 1796 with minor periods of one party like the 1820's. The question is Trump imploding the Republican party and if so, will the Libertarian Party become what the Republican party wss on the right.
I had assumed this was an old thread that had been revived. I had no idea the delusion was this deep.
And I have to laugh at all the bogus statistics about how no one really like Hillary. I just posted in the polls thread about numbers showing that more than half of Trump voters are voting against Hillary, not FOR him. More of Hillary voters are voting FOR her than AGAINST Trump.
The polls coming out today are just starting to include the fallout from p***ygate. And most people think that was only the tip of the iceberg and there is more - and worse - to come. It's irrelevant that the base doesn't care - it's the small handful of undecideds and the persuadable independents who are going to decide this election and anyone who thinks recent events cut in Donnie's favor are, like him, living in an alternate reality.
I had assumed this was an old thread that had been revived. I had no idea the delusion was this deep.
And I have to laugh at all the bogus statistics about how no one really like Hillary. I just posted in the polls thread about numbers showing that more than half of Trump voters are voting against Hillary, not FOR him. More of Hillary voters are voting FOR her than AGAINST Trump.
The polls coming out today are just starting to include the fallout from p***ygate. And most people think that was only the tip of the iceberg and there is more - and worse - to come. It's irrelevant that the base doesn't care - it's the small handful of undecideds and the persuadable independents who are going to decide this election and anyone who thinks recent events cut in Donnie's favor are, like him, living in an alternate reality.
Exactly. Trump's "Faithful" wasn't and isn't enough to win an election. Problem was and is about getting other voting groups to align with him.
His performance hasn't done anything to improve his favorability with women (in general, and particularly college-educated white women) - and has probably made it even worse.
Has done nothing to improve numbers with people of color.
There actually aren't a whole lot of independents who are truly "undecided". Most so-called independents pretty much align with one party or another - and just don't state a party affiliation.
I wouldn't be surprised at any outcome. Trump has been able to fill stadiums almost daily wherever he goes. And Hillary can fill a room. It takes a lot more effort to spend a day at a rally, than to answer a poll on the phone or go to a voting booth.
I wouldn't be surprised at any outcome. Trump has been able to fill stadiums almost daily wherever he goes. And Hillary can fill a room. It takes a lot more effort to spend a day at a rally, than to answer a poll on the phone or go to a voting booth.
Faulty logic. Most Clinton supporters have lives and jobs, so cannot really be bothered going to a pep rally, but I assure you they vote. Any who hadn't planned to will be inspired to do so by Trump's piggery.
I had assumed this was an old thread that had been revived. I had no idea the delusion was this deep.
And I have to laugh at all the bogus statistics about how no one really like Hillary. I just posted in the polls thread about numbers showing that more than half of Trump voters are voting against Hillary, not FOR him. More of Hillary voters are voting FOR her than AGAINST Trump.
The polls coming out today are just starting to include the fallout from p***ygate. And most people think that was only the tip of the iceberg and there is more - and worse - to come. It's irrelevant that the base doesn't care - it's the small handful of undecideds and the persuadable independents who are going to decide this election and anyone who thinks recent events cut in Donnie's favor are, like him, living in an alternate reality.
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Originally Posted by silverkris
Exactly. Trump's "Faithful" wasn't and isn't enough to win an election. Problem was and is about getting other voting groups to align with him.
His performance hasn't done anything to improve his favorability with women (in general, and particularly college-educated white women) - and has probably made it even worse.
Has done nothing to improve numbers with people of color.
There actually aren't a whole lot of independents who are truly "undecided". Most so-called independents pretty much align with one party or another - and just don't state a party affiliation.
So where's the math?
People just aren't smart enough to keep digging. They hear what is thrown at them on the surface, and fall in line without any further thought. I started on the Trump train when this whole fiasco began, but have not stopped listening and digging and researching.
Both candidates are untrustworthy, potentially dangerous, and have major flaws. And many voters are voting against the other and not for the candidate they are standing behind, the typical lesser of two evils thought process.
It's a sad election cycle. It was pathetic watching the GOP through this whole thing being so idiotic and inept to have it get to this. It was a foregone conclusion Hillary would be at this stage, but the republicans had a ton of useless choices.
Right now, if anyone is really watching and listening to Trump, I find it hard to swallow that they would be 100% behind him sitting in the oval office. That isn't ajoke, and it's the most powerful political office in the world even with all of the global laughter be pointed in this direction.
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