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Old 10-15-2016, 11:47 PM
 
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I think there are a lot of politicians, rich donors, spokespersons for minority groups and media types who for financial reasons and power reasons don't want anything to change. I'd like to think that they think Clinton will allow them to go on as is and Trump will kick the chair legs out from under them. The news media's power is entirely based on who they know. The last thing they want is some outsider in the White House. That goes for both Democrats and Republicans.

Not only do I want Trump to kick the chair legs out from under them but I want them all to land on their asses.
You're right. It is said that government will take and abuse the people as long as the people allow it. When the people get tired of it they rise against the people in power.

This is what we have now. Bernie Sanders supporters know the powerful elite are abusing the people, Trump supporters know the powerful elite are abusing the people. Hillary represents the powerful elite, Trump is the last one standing to represent the people. The powerful elite must destroy Trump to keep their gravy train while the American people struggle.
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Old 10-15-2016, 11:47 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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The thing is... Trump is a billionaire who has partaken in all of the "elite" benefits and lifestyle. He has also screwed the little guy with great aplomb on his way up (check out how he stiffed small contractors on their bills), outsourced his manufacturing for his own profit, and generally shown ZERO interest in every benefitting "the little guy" in anything he has said or done.

The only thing he has demonstrated is that he knows what you want to hear and is very happy to tell it to you in exchange for the fame it earns him...

What do you think he's gonna do after he loses this election? He's gonna become a right-wing media mogul. Might buy out Breitbart since he's basically in a partnership with their founder now. He's gonna make himself even richer telling you what you want to hear for a long time.
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Old 10-15-2016, 11:51 PM
 
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Let him do just that. Keeps them isolated that way.
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Old 10-15-2016, 11:54 PM
 
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The thing is... Trump is a billionaire who has partaken in all of the "elite" benefits and lifestyle. He has also screwed the little guy with great aplomb on his way up (check out how he stiffed small contractors on their bills), outsourced his manufacturing for his own profit, and generally shown ZERO interest in every benefitting "the little guy" in anything he has said or done.

The only thing he has demonstrated is that he knows what you want to hear and is very happy to tell it to you in exchange for the fame it earns him...

What do you think he's gonna do after he loses this election? He's gonna become a right-wing media mogul. Might buy out Breitbart since he's basically in a partnership with their founder now. He's gonna make himself even richer telling you what you want to hear for a long time.
Yes, he was a democrat. He has partaken in the elite benefits and lifestyle. So did Andrew Carnegie and industrialist who led the enormous expansion of the American steel industry in the late 19th century and who devoted the latter years of his life to large-scale philanthropy, with special emphasis on local libraries, world peace, education and scientific research...

- Carnegie Hall,
- Carnegie Corporation of NY,
- Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,
- Carnegie Institution for Science,
- Carnegie Hero Fund,
- Carnegie Mellon University and the
- Carnegie Museums in Pittsburgh.

Trump is also a man who made billions by producing, providing jobs to the the people. It is possible that Trump is tired of seeing the little people abused so kicking the chair legs out from underneath powerful abusive elitist politicians and big corporations is his contribution.

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Old 10-15-2016, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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.... is that pretty much all "the bad guys" (establishment, RINOs, corrupt media, elites, bankers, etc) are against him.

No, trump is just doing what he always does, playing the victim...In his mind nothing, absolutely nothing is ever his fault.
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Old 10-16-2016, 12:05 AM
 
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The thing is... Trump is a billionaire who has partaken in all of the "elite" benefits and lifestyle. He has also screwed the little guy with great aplomb on his way up (check out how he stiffed small contractors on their bills), outsourced his manufacturing for his own profit, and generally shown ZERO interest in every benefitting "the little guy" in anything he has said or done.

The only thing he has demonstrated is that he knows what you want to hear and is very happy to tell it to you in exchange for the fame it earns him...

What do you think he's gonna do after he loses this election? He's gonna become a right-wing media mogul. Might buy out Breitbart since he's basically in a partnership with their founder now. He's gonna make himself even richer telling you what you want to hear for a long time.
John D Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie competed to become the richest man in the U.S. Rockefeller made one of the world's largest fortunes in the oil business during the late 19th - 20th centuries, also providing jobs to many people. He gave away US$540 million over his lifetime (in dollar terms of that time), and became the greatest lay benefactor of medicine in history.

Not only did both of Carnegie and Rockefeller produce they also gave. You're brainwashed to think that all the rich are evil when instead of understanding that they invest which results in contributing to our society at the same time they get richer.

It may be more truthful to say the politicians, big government is evil, they produce nothing, but they take, they divide and manipulate, they control, the political elite enrich themselves.
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Old 10-16-2016, 12:20 AM
 
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The thing is... Trump is a billionaire who has partaken in all of the "elite" benefits and lifestyle. He has also screwed the little guy with great aplomb on his way up (check out how he stiffed small contractors on their bills), outsourced his manufacturing for his own profit, and generally shown ZERO interest in every benefitting "the little guy" in anything he has said or done.

The only thing he has demonstrated is that he knows what you want to hear and is very happy to tell it to you in exchange for the fame it earns him...

What do you think he's gonna do after he loses this election? He's gonna become a right-wing media mogul. Might buy out Breitbart since he's basically in a partnership with their founder now. He's gonna make himself even richer telling you what you want to hear for a long time.
so you're suggesting that he should have lost money on purpose while running his business? I'm confused at the 'outsourcing his manu for his own profit' comment, why are you holding it against him for trying to make as much money as possible? Why is there a talking point that Trump should have left money on the table or paid more taxes to show he's a 'true american'?

He's not going to have shown interest in business for the little guy, people running successful businesses are looking out for their BUSINESS, that's how they stay IN business.

Why would you think that at 70 years old in the twilight of his life, he wouldn't get soft and just want to give back and be a humanitarian and help the little folks? He says he's going to fight for the american people, is there really any concrete proof he won't? Trump has no 'past performances' as a politician, so we can't look at his political record and say "he's always said he would fight for you but the record shows he wont'. you can't say that, its a clean slate, he's new at this and certainly rough around the edges, but there's really no indication you can point to to suggest he's lying when he says he's going to fight for the little guy.
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Old 10-16-2016, 12:26 AM
 
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OP, absolutely agreed. It truly IS the little people vs. everyone you mentioned and that's why I wished Ron Paul was elected when he was running since he spoke the truth and was sane although everyone and the lying media was labelling him as a lunatic and cheering on the actual lunatic Obama. It's been a nightmare the past eight years.

It's not D or R, they are the same party, just different side of a the same coin. Lying, Crooked Hillary is a disastrous monster and scary for the country and would just continue the nightmare and destroy this country like Obama. There is only one option. We need to stop the globalist and end the FED.
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Old 10-16-2016, 12:55 AM
 
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You'd think people would be ready to try something different just for a change. 8 years of Clinton who was bought and sold to push NAFTA. 8 years of W and more globalism. 8 years of Obama and even more globalism. Now another 4 years of another corrupt Clinton? Isn't 24 years of the same thing enough?
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Old 10-16-2016, 12:57 AM
 
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By the same token, all the astonishingly stupid voters are for him. Which more than cancels out your flawed argument.
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