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Old 10-24-2016, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Central New Jersey
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She's a habitual liar and will say anything to gather enough votes.
Trump speaks the truth, though outspoken at times. And he's a man that sticks to his word.
I'd rather have the potty mouthed, outspoken leader than the lying, more qualified (on paper) one to lead our great Nation forward.
TRUMP
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Old 10-24-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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And there is absolutely no proof that "favors" were given. None. Nada.

If you have proof, you should alert the MSM. Otherwise, you're just telling tall tales.
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What a kind way to put this.
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Old 10-24-2016, 12:45 PM
 
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You mean they worked and paid taxes to pay off their debt? What a novel concept. I do suppose that leaves Wall Street out of the equation.
Yes, they worked 50% to 75% more and paid higher taxes. Forget Wall Street, if you think the average American would go for that, then you don't know this country.


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Without "some" consequences. What we did has many consequences and it's only putting off the larger pain until later.
Everything has some consequences, and all (healthy) economy eventually leads to bubble and pop. I'm getting a vibe from you that somehow bubbles are bad thing. They're not, they are part of the normal cycle. Not only is it necessary, it is unavoidable. Just like Iceland will eventually have their own bubble.


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It's happening. China is selling off it's debt. China is becoming the country that poor countries look to for help. China, Russia, Iran, India, etc are simply not going to continue to allow us to manipulate the worlds economies forever.
China is selling off debt because they simply have so much of it. There is a BIG difference between selling off debt and replacing world currency!! The former is nothing, the later is a fracking huge deal!!


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If it's debatable then there are signs, no?
Yes, there are signs; there are also many false positives and we often don't know which is which until after the bubble popped. Case in point, people have been predicting a Chinese real estate crash since 2010! If bubbles are easy to spot then we wouldn't have crashes.


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There is nothing wrong with mortgages. There is with making the taxpayers responsible for what the banks knew were bad ones.
I don't think any average Americans like the bailout, but it was necessary to keep the system from crashing. And I will admit the system we have has many flaws, but it is by far the best system we have. If there is a better system out there, it has not been invented yet.


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Now we have switched to "direct link". Is it worth the time to try and show a "direct link" from getting rid of Glass Steagal? No, of course the banks had to actually bet the money that wasn't theirs to start with first BUT it happened and wouldn't have without the repeal of Glass-Steagal.
Fair enough, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Watch the way the markets freak every time raising rates are even mentioned.
Investor sentiment is not proof of anything. The Fed already raised the rate once, the market freaked out and then recovered. The market is usually afraid of uncertainty, which an increase in rates brings, but that doesn't necessary mean it thinks we are in a bubble; and even if they do think that they are often wrong.
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Old 10-24-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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And there is absolutely no proof that "favors" were given. None. Nada.

If you have proof, you should alert the MSM. Otherwise, you're just telling tall tales.
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LOL

Like showing the MSM evidence would do any good if it were against Hillary.

What ever happened to the principle of not doing something so as to not even have the appearance of impropriety?
You honestly don't think all or even a smidgen of the pay for play over the years (by people in both parties) has tangible "proof" laying around for citizens to discover, do you
This is about as close as anyone will come short of an actual confession. Many a regular has been convicted for much less.

As to you proclaiming there is no evidence, it is funny how people can be so easily misled, or their willingness to bury their head in the sand and pretend everything is aboveboard.
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Old 10-24-2016, 12:57 PM
 
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Hey, if Goldman wanted to pay that much money to a civilian with no office, that's their money.

Mick
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Old 10-24-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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LOL

Like showing the MSM evidence would do any good if it were against Hillary.

What ever happened to the principle of not doing something so as to not even have the appearance of impropriety?
You honestly don't think all or even a smidgen of the pay for play over the years (by people in both parties) has tangible "proof" laying around for citizens to discover, do you
This is about as close as anyone will come short of an actual confession. Many a regular has been convicted for much less.

In other words: you have nothing. It looks bad on the surface so you're just going to assume the worse.

You'll excuse people like me who are more facts based.

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As to you proclaiming there is no evidence, it is funny how people can be so easily misled, or their willingness to bury their head in the sand and pretend everything is aboveboard.
It's not me who is proclaiming there is no evidence, it's the government agencies who looked into it who said that. If you disagree, you should have more solid evidence than, "Well, it looks bad..."
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Old 10-24-2016, 01:13 PM
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Location: Florida
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Trump speaks the truth, though outspoken at times. And he's a man that sticks to his word.
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The Lies Trump Told

He lied about the loan his father once gave him.

He lied about his company’s bankruptcies.

He lied about his federal financial-disclosure forms.

He lied about his endorsements.

He lied about “stop and frisk.”

He lied about “birtherism.”

He lied about New York.

He lied about Michigan and Ohio.

He lied about Palm Beach, Fla.

He lied about Janet Yellen and the Federal Reserve.

He lied about the trade deficit.

He lied about Hillary Clinton’s tax plan.

He lied about her child-care plan.

He lied about China devaluing its currency.

He lied about Mexico having the world’s largest factories.

He lied about the United States’s nuclear arsenal.

He lied about NATO’s budget.

He lied about NATO’s terrorism policy.

He lied about ISIS.

He lied about his past position on the Iraq War.

He lied about his past position on the national debt.

He lied about his past position on climate change.

He lied about calling pregnancy an “inconvenience” for employers.

He lied about calling women “pigs.”

He lied about calling women “dogs.”

He lied about calling women “slobs.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/op...rump-told.html
That's just one day. (You can click through to the article... it's main content is that each one of those lines is a hot link to the proof for each that Trump told that lie.
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Old 10-24-2016, 01:14 PM
 
Location: North America
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Trump wants to put term limits on congress and impose a ban on foreign donors to our politicians among other things he mentioned today.
How is he going to get that past Congress?
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Old 10-24-2016, 01:16 PM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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How is he going to get that past Congress?
Something tells me that Trump's supporters will fail to provide an adequate response to your question, and as a consequence, through their inability to do so, demonstrate that Trump effectively spewed a much of nonsense to try to dupe people into thinking that he was going to "drain the swamp" when in reality once he got to Washington he would have said, "Ooops, sorry - that's not within my purview." Or worse, he'd issue an EO which would be ignored as outside his authority and power to enforce. Or worse still, he'll try to enforce it, thereby committing an impeachable offense.
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Old 10-24-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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Yes, they worked 50% to 75% more and paid higher taxes. Forget Wall Street, if you think the average American would go for that, then you don't know this country.
More than what? More than Hillary giving a speech? More than a cat burying it's ****?
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