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Old 11-09-2016, 04:21 AM
 
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He wants to privatize our infrastructure which means you will be paying private companies a toll to use their roads, bridges, etc. Who reaps the benefits of all this privatization? It is not the little guy.
As long as the tolls are commiserate with their cost and use. If you want to live in rural America, that's an expensive road and not too many people to pay for it. Their tolls should be about $20 each way which is fine by me since I wouldn't be paying for it.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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How do you recognize a hypocrite? It like this: Point a finger at someone, you're pointing 3-4 fingers at yourself!

Also, what we hate the most in others, we see so much of in ourselves!

I'm guessing Trump will end up being one of the biggest spenders of all Presidents!
Idk exactly what u are getting at but from all points of view, Clinton proposed the more fiscally sound plan. I don't mind increasing spending if there is a plan to pay for it
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I think this is a great idea. I was encouraged that he mentioned that instead of more wasteful military spending as his only policy initiative last night. Unfortunately it will be DOA in the Republican congress. It will be interesting to see how Donald attacks his own party in the next couple years.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:29 AM
 
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I think this is a great idea. I was encouraged that he mentioned that instead of more wasteful military spending as his only policy initiative last night. Unfortunately it will be DOA in the Republican congress. It will be interesting to see how Donald attacks his own party in the next couple years.
I was stunned when he said it. Obama tried to do that when he was elected and Republicans said no way. If he wants to do it with private money, do it. If you're not going to do it with my president, don't do it with my money.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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As long as the tolls are commiserate with their cost and use. If you want to live in rural America, that's an expensive road and not too many people to pay for it. Their tolls should be about $20 each way which is fine by me since I wouldn't be paying for it.
Still cheaper than the subsidy for transit.

As long as it's local, really I'm fine with how local jurisdictions fund transit and road expenditures. I'm not a fan of the $100 billion rebuild America stimulus spending. By the way, that includes billions and billions on rail projects. Central Subway in San Francisco received over a billion in federal money. No different that a bridge to nowhere. Federal component of National Highway System, fine. Amtrak, fine. Those are inter-regional. Using federal money to expand a highway for local traffic or build mass transit? Regional. Federal government money should not be used. If local governments can't afford local infrastructure, guess what, local problem. Pretending that's a rural/urban issue though is ridiculous.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:37 AM
 
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Still cheaper than the subsidy for transit.

As long as it's local, really I'm fine with how local jurisdictions fund transit and road expenditures. I'm not a fan of the $100 billion rebuild America stimulus spending. By the way, that includes billions and billions on rail projects. Central Subway in San Francisco received over a billion in federal money. No different that a bridge to nowhere. Federal component of National Highway System, fine. Amtrak, fine. Those are inter-regional. Using federal money to expand a highway for local traffic or build mass transit? Regional. Federal government money should not be used. If local governments can't afford local infrastructure, guess what, local problem. Pretending that's a rural/urban issue though is ridiculous.
We'll see. When Trump says infrastructure growth, will it be locally funded? Fine. Federally funded? No. Middle America gave us this president so I want the same criteria applied to Trump money. No spending.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Idk exactly what u are getting at but from all points of view, Clinton proposed the more fiscally sound plan. I don't mind increasing spending if there is a plan to pay for it
Clinton's plan didn't do that either though. Basically small increase in taxes, large increase in spending was Clinton's plan. Trump's is kind of hard to say because it wasn't cohesive but it seemed like a large tax cut and a few areas of lots of spending. Basically: fix military + fix infrastructure + fix inner cities + build wall + cut taxes + preserve Social Security/Medicare = solved the deficit. Not sure how that math works myself, but that was Trump's plan as best I could tell.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:42 AM
 
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Democrats controlled the House, Senate, and Presidency....if they didn't pass it, it's on them.


We do need to redistribute our wealth from the Blue areas of NYC, Silicon Valley, Seattle, Boston to Red states like Alabama, Mississippi, Idaho, Arkansas, West Virginia....in order to be more fair.
Not true...

Debunking the Myth: Obama’s Two-Year Supermajority
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That redistribution sure sounds a lot like the Socialism welfare that right winger so detest...
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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We'll see. When Trump says infrastructure growth, will it be locally funded? Fine. Federally funded? No. Middle America gave us this president so I want the same criteria applied to Trump money. No spending.
We'll see.

Both Hillary and Trump wanted massive federal funding, just like Obama. Hillary's platform was actually fleshed out and Trump's was more like, yeah, well I'll spend even more than she would. Calling for huge amounts of federal money though is nothing new. Your president Obama called for it as well as both Hillary and Trump. And Obama did get a lot of it. The $100 billion stimulus bill, for example. On that issue, there's not any real difference between Obama, Hillary, or Trump. The difference is just you (apparently) were okay with it if your President (Obama) did it but not if your President-elect (Trump) does it. Also, Trump is by far the most urban President we've had in quite a while.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:46 AM
 
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When President Obama took office, he wanted to focus on strengthening out infrastructure. Republicans refused and said no increased debt. The first thing Trump says in his speech is we will have infrastructure second to none. That's pure tax dollars. There is no offset for that. Where is he going to get the money for that? Is this what rural America is hoping for? That my tax dollars are going to pay you to build a road in Alabama? We don't owe you that. Who is going to pay for that and is a Republican congress going to start passing trillion dollar bills with no offset?
You didnt give a crap about where Obama was getting the $1 trillion for the stimulus package, or the other $1 trillion for ACA.. dont pretend to care now...
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