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Old 11-12-2016, 08:21 AM
 
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Actually I don't think the primaries were that fixed. I think Hillary won somewhat fair and square. There were some shenanigans caused by Debbie Wasserman Schultz. But I don't think that was enough for Bernie to win.
So since she won "somewhat fair and square" you are acknowledging that he lost "somewhat not fair and square".

I do agree with you that it was the voters that allowed it to happen.
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Old 11-12-2016, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Nah his ship has sailed as far as the White House.

He needs to focus on changing the Democratic party.

The coming generation is overwhelmingly skewed towards us. We need to keep them engaged.
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Old 11-12-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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So since she won "somewhat fair and square" you are acknowledging that he lost "somewhat not fair and square".

I do agree with you that it was the voters that allowed it to happen.
OK. Bernie lost straitout by 4 million vote. How that.

At this point arguing over it....does exactly......what? What do you hope to gain?

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Old 11-12-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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Only in your dreams.

He is the most popular elected official in the country.
its easy to be popular when no one is running against you and all you do is talk about giving people free ****..
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Old 11-12-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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The super delegates system was an internal electoral college. But Senator Sanders lost when he refused to utilize the damn emails
Wrong analogy. The super delegates were not chosen by the vote.
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Old 11-12-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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He needs to focus on changing the Democratic party.

The coming generation is overwhelmingly skewed towards us. We need to keep them engaged.
Bernie withdrew from the Democrat party.

The coming generation will end up voting just like their predecessors. i.e. On the issues that affect them.

Hillary lost because she didn't address them.
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Old 11-12-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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OK. Bernie lost straitout by 4 million vote. How that.

At this point arguing over it....does exactly......what? What do you hope to gain?
A "cleaning of the swamp". You can not fix what is wrong unless you are willing to honestly address it and yes, place blame.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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A "cleaning of the swamp". You can not fix what is wrong unless you are willing to honestly address it and yes, place blame.

Well I place the blame squarely on the Democratic voters in the primaries. They voted for Hillary Clinton over Bernie to be there candidate. Shifting it only to the DNC heads is shifting the real responsibility for the loss in this election cycle. That's where the blame lies.

Of course. Maybe the country doesn't want what Bernie had to sell either. So maybe it's the whole platform of the left side of the aisle that is to blame for the loss in this election cycle. Honestly at this moment I can't say that's for certain. So I'll sit back and watch for the next two years while the Republicans get to govern in an almost complete (sure the dems in the house in senate will try to filibuster thing) fashion.

By the way. What is the "cleaning of the swamp" from your perspective?
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:21 AM
 
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Well I place the blame squarely on the Democratic voters in the primaries. They voted for Hillary Clinton over Bernie to be there candidate.
Don't forget the DNC machine rigged it so the Super Delegates pledged 95% support for Hillary before the primaries even started.
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:47 AM
 
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Don't forget the DNC machine rigged it so the Super Delegates pledged 95% support for Hillary before the primaries even started.
You can place all on a rigged primary if you so choose. But to me this is a shirking responsibility. The whole Democratic Party is to blame including it's voters.

If Bernie won with 4 million votes and then if superdelegates voted with Hillary. You'd have a case to legitimately argue your point. But he didn't.

So let's just except that the majority of voters of the party chose the wrong person. Let's take responsibility, own it, and move on.
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