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Old 11-20-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Daywalk View Post
She got more 1.5 million more votes in the United States of America than Donald Trump.
Trump was selected by the crooked undemocratic system of electoral college, shame on him!
Yeah, sure. And if the results were reversed, you would be singing the praises of the electoral college. You are a hypocrite.

Trump won. Your idol, Hillary, lost. Suck it up and deal.
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Old 11-20-2016, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Maine
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If Hillary Clinton and her supporters want to be mad and blame someone other than Hillary for her loss in 2016, they should blame Obama for taking "her" spot as the Democratic Party's candidate for president in 2008. She possibly could have won the election back then because she did not have the numerous additional negatives like the email server scandal. Obama could have waited until 2016 to run. He is younger and he had NO experience.
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Old 11-20-2016, 02:57 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I've read suggestions that Hillary, both in the 2008 primaries and just now, campaigned in big states too much, hence she lost. Did she not spend enough time in Florida and Michigan, which she lost?

Trump won the entire South except Virginia, which is Tim Kaine's home state. Any comments on this, except that the south tends to be conservative? I thought Georgia usually votes Demo. And I think Florida has voted Demo every time since 1992.

Regarding the polls being wrong - perhaps the polltakers polled people in big cities too much, hence they thought Hillary was going to win. But poll companies are supposed to know this stuff. Has somebody compiled what the polls were saying right before Election Day? How many said Trump was going to win?

Last thought: Trump won Iowa, which is funny since it tends to be blue. Mike Dukakis won Iowa, even.
No. Hillary lost because of who she is. Period. She is not liked by a large segment of the population, she has committed serious crimes, she bungled her job as Secretary of State because of her incompetence, she chose to use a private and unsecure email system for State business, which included sending and receiving thousands of classified emails. Then she lied about that.

Hillary Clinton is a dishonest and untrustworthy person.

Then there is her political ideology. Like Obama, she is a "progressive" (Marxist/socialist) who doesn't believe in the Constitution (though publicly she often references it) and has vowed to seriously limit (if not outright repeal) the 2nd Amendment, and it should be noted here that the 2nd Amendment does not grant the right to keep and bear arms, but it recognizes that the right pre-exists, just as the inalienable rights spelled out in the preamble to the Declaration of Independence; "...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It has to already exist for it to be infringed. She also favors abortion up to and including the moments just prior to birth.

Hillary Clinton was seen as a threat to Liberty, our rights and our very system of government. Many believe she would have been Obama on steroids.

Further, she has said she was going to allow tens of thousands more "refugees" into our country for 'resettlement' against the interests of the American people, and without any means of determining who these people are, what their beliefs are (we know the vast majority are Muslim) and without any skills to offer as a benefit to their being here.

That is why she was rejected.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:00 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Trump was right about Hillary...she didn't have enough energy to do the job.
It wasn't about "energy," it was about who she is.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:19 PM
 
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Florida went red in both 2000 and 2004. Hillary lost Florida by only about 114,000 votes. She could easily have gotten 200,000 more votes if more voters had turned out. I think her urban strategy was good for the most part because in some places there was indeed a high turnout. The turnout just needed to be a bit higher. And since the magic number is 270, she only really needed to win Florida and NC, or Florida and PA.


Yeah she could have got more votes if more people voted fort her too.


Politics isn't "If only" Land. That's make believe.
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Old 11-20-2016, 04:18 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Did Hillary campaign in the wrong cities/states, and polls


Nah, the Electoral College artificially & arbitrarily placed more importance on some voters than others, just not ones that helped her.
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Old 11-20-2016, 05:28 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Did Hillary campaign in the wrong cities/states, and polls


Nah, the Electoral College artificially & arbitrarily placed more importance on some voters than others, just not ones that helped her.
You need a history lesson. You are grossly uninformed. Where did you study the Constitution ...or did you? You are clueless as to why the Framers wisely created our electoral system.

Simply put, we are a nation of 50 independent and sovereign states. We do not vote as a block. We vote, everyone of us, in our own state, and the winner (by popular vote) in each states gets the designated number of electoral votes, which is determined by the number of Senators (2 for every state) and the whole number of Representatives it is allowed, which is according to population.

Trump won the most states, and it was a "landslide." That's what counts, not the nationwide popular vote, whether you like it or not.

Neither would any Constitutional amendment be passed by a nationwide popular vote, but it requires three fourths of the states to ratify it.

Educate yourself.
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:49 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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People are constantly going over what if anything the Democrats could of or should have done to win the election and think the answer is fairly simple....there's nothing that they could have done.

The Democrats simply lost in the arena of ideas and solutions. 'America' just didn't agree wit her platform.

Without totally turning into the GOP, they didn't have anything else to use

Hillary had and used every disposable resource that any candidate wish they could of wielded...she had every celebrity endorsing her from Lady Gaga, to Jay Z to Lebron James..., a legacy name as being a Clinton...,she was the 'right gender' ("most qualified ever"), she had 3 Presidents endorse her (Obama, HW Bush, and Clinton)...she had half of the GOP supporting her, she had both Soros and Koch endorsing her, she had a grass roots and ground game unlike any other...she had more money than any candidate ever has, she was a former US Senator and SOS, she had every major Media outlet endorsing her...outside of FOX...I mean WHAT ELSE could she have done outside of not committing those crimes?
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Old 11-20-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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I've read suggestions that Hillary, both in the 2008 primaries and just now, campaigned in big states too much, hence she lost. Did she not spend enough time in Florida and Michigan, which she lost?

Trump won the entire South except Virginia, which is Tim Kaine's home state. Any comments on this, except that the south tends to be conservative? I thought Georgia usually votes Demo. And I think Florida has voted Demo every time since 1992.

Regarding the polls being wrong - perhaps the polltakers polled people in big cities too much, hence they thought Hillary was going to win. But poll companies are supposed to know this stuff. Has somebody compiled what the polls were saying right before Election Day? How many said Trump was going to win?

Last thought: Trump won Iowa, which is funny since it tends to be blue. Mike Dukakis won Iowa, even.


Yes, America was a bad choice for HRC.
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Old 11-20-2016, 07:01 PM
 
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This is why they need to teach U.S. History and government/economics in school better. Then you young'ns would know that America is not a democracy, and never has been.

LOL.........Had a teacher in High School who dwelled on the cons of the electoral college for a couple of days. He predicted that it would soon be changed and a referendum was coming soon for that reason.........That was in 1966..........
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