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No. But I was surprised at how he won. I expected him in the end to pull off Michigan and come close in Pennsylvania (I knew momentum was on his side there, but wasn't so confident he could pull it off). Wisconsin wasn't even on my radar! Funny thing is that he won Michigan by a smaller margin than those other two states.
Had Fox News on in the background all election day, and then watched the results come in all night. I remember listening to the talking heads, and it was very obvious that they believed and fully expected that Clinton was going to take the night. My husband was on the Internet in the home office, and every time a state was called I'd yell the results through the house. When Trump won Florida, NC and Ohio I was surprised but still contained. When they called Wisconsin I yelled through the house, my husband flew into the living room and we actually hugged each other. THAT'S how much the possibility of a Clinton win had been wearing on both of us for a long time. In my mind Wisconsin was the deal breaker. Stayed up watching results come in until after 2am because I wanted a final call before I went to bed.
Did I see Trump winning? Truthfully no. The Clinton machine and dirty politics - I thought the "force was with them". Biased media. Polls that weren't even close (some calling a 98% chance of a win for Clinton). Dirty info coming out of Wikileaks about the DNC and the Clinton campaign. Trump rally numbers. Trump saying stupid sh*t. Clinton coughing and hiding and lying.
Around dinner time on election night I went to Clintons' official FB page and read this: "This team has so much to be proud of. Whatever happens tonight, thank you for everything." Didn't sound like the message of a winner...........
I said it before on here and I'll say it again - Americans put their poker faces on and held their cards close to their chest.
I don't know how Trump will do now that he has won, but I KNEW how Clinton would do if she won, and this is the most unsettled I have ever been re: an election. I am very proud of how this election turned out.
Had Fox News on in the background all election day, and then watched the results come in all night. I remember listening to the talking heads, and it was very obvious that they believed and fully expected that Clinton was going to take the night. My husband was on the Internet in the home office, and every time a state was called I'd yell the results through the house. When Trump won Florida, NC and Ohio I was surprised but still contained. When they called Wisconsin I yelled through the house, my husband flew into the living room and we actually hugged each other. THAT'S how much the possibility of a Clinton win had been wearing on both of us for a long time. In my mind Wisconsin was the deal breaker. Stayed up watching results come in until after 2am because I wanted a final call before I went to bed.
Did I see Trump winning? Truthfully no. The Clinton machine and dirty politics - I thought the "force was with them". Biased media. Polls that weren't even close (some calling a 98% chance of a win for Clinton). Dirty info coming out of Wikileaks about the DNC and the Clinton campaign. Trump rally numbers. Trump saying stupid sh*t. Clinton coughing and hiding and lying.
Around dinner time on election night I went to Clintons' official FB page and read this: "This team has so much to be proud of. Whatever happens tonight, thank you for everything." Didn't sound like the message of a winner...........
I said it before on here and I'll say it again - Americans put their poker faces on and held their cards close to their chest.
I don't know how Trump will do now that he has won, but I KNEW how Clinton would do if she won, and this is the most unsettled I have ever been re: an election. I am very proud of how this election turned out.
This is exactly how I felt. I don't know how Trump will to, however I do know that Clinton would be like every other middle class hating president since Reagan would be for me.
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I was somewhat surprised at first. Now that I look back, not really. My reaction is, I think, influenced by the fact that I grew up in the rural conservative South, but now live in urban coastal California.
Now, I'll also add this: I haven't celebrated Trump's victory, but I sure as hell celebrated Hillary's demise!
Trump might be crass and a sometimes unethical businessman, but he has also built a multi-billion dollar business empire using a lot of trial and error...like one tends to do in business. Yes, he did sucker punch government agencies and the media quite a bit in the process. I also believe that he may not be (notice, I say "may not be," rather than "isn't") the sexist or bigot that he's made out to be, as he has helped many a women in business and is fine with LGBTQIA (he may well be racist, though).
On the other hand, Hillary has a proven history of demeaning the Secret Service, military, and law enforcement, and making herself difficult for the people around her to work with. And, while Hillary has been away from Chicago for about 50 years now, she still is an embodiment of Chicago-style politico. And, yes, Hillary really seems to hate men and be a racist--I really believe this. Read books written by former Secret Service agents Ronald Kessler and Gary Byrne--separately written accounts!
Furthermore, the violent extensions of protests in cities like Oakland and Los Angeles in the days after the election encapsulated why the nation decided to take a turn to the right. (Don't conflate this with the many more loud but peaceful protests, though, folks.) So, what I've really celebrated rather than Trump or Clinton is the country telling the miserably gender-confused, the safety pin-adorning, and the safe space-loving to take a back seat.
I'll also quote juneaubound: "Americans put their poker faces on and held their cards close to their chest." So, so true.
I voted for Johnson, so I knew that my candidate wasn't going to win. And, honestly, he wasn't the sharpest candidate anyway, but his belief system was the most congruent (still not nearly 100% by any means) among the candidates running this year.
I knew that Hillary could not win in a fair vote, but with her history, I felt she would find a way to cheat and buy her way to a win. I was so relieved to see that this could not be done! It gave me hope for our country.
I was somewhat surprised at first. Now that I look back, not really. My reaction is, I think, influenced by the fact that I grew up in the rural conservative South, but now live in urban coastal California.
Now, I'll also add this: I haven't celebrated Trump's victory, but I sure as hell celebrated Hillary's demise!
Trump might be crass and a sometimes unethical businessman, but he has also built a multi-billion dollar business empire using a lot of trial and error...like one tends to do in business. Yes, he did sucker punch government agencies and the media quite a bit in the process. I also believe that he may not be (notice, I say "may not be," rather than "isn't") the sexist or bigot that he's made out to be, as he has helped many a women in business and is fine with LGBTQIA (he may well be racist, though).
On the other hand, Hillary has a proven history of demeaning the Secret Service, military, and law enforcement, and making herself difficult for the people around her to work with. And, while Hillary has been away from Chicago for about 50 years now, she still is an embodiment of Chicago-style politico. And, yes, Hillary really seems to hate men and be a racist--I really believe this. Read books written by former Secret Service agents Ronald Kessler and Gary Byrne--separately written accounts!
Furthermore, the violent extensions of protests in cities like Oakland and Los Angeles in the days after the election encapsulated why the nation decided to take a turn to the right. (Don't conflate this with the many more loud but peaceful protests, though, folks.) So, what I've really celebrated rather than Trump or Clinton is the country telling the miserably gender-confused, the safety pin-adorning, and the safe space-loving to take a back seat.
I'll also quote juneaubound: "Americans put their poker faces on and held their cards close to their chest." So, so true.
I voted for Johnson, so I knew that my candidate wasn't going to win. And, honestly, he wasn't the sharpest candidate anyway, but his belief system was the most congruent (still not nearly 100% by any means) among the candidates running this year.
1.) He built a multi-billion dollar empire by allowing his named to be used on different casino's and buildings. When he went bankrupt in 1990-91, the business folks realized that his name NOT his acumen was the way to recoup those losses. Great salesman and marketer, no different than Kim Kardashian.
2.) It's OK for Trump to demean women and be racist (sued for housing discrimination among other things), but not OK for Hillary to demean men? We decided to hold HRC to a much higher standard than Trump instead of viewing them through the same lens. I suspect she wins if people graded them the same. Unfortunately, HRC was graded like a student in graduate-level physics while Trump was graded like a 1st grader. He appealed to people's xenophobia and desire to return to a time that will never come back. People wanted him to win so bad that they were willing to ignore everything he's ever done while simultaneously hating Hillary for being roughly the same person AT WORST and likely much better.
3.) Violent protests on the west coast made the nation turn right? Nah, I'd say it was working class/middle class white people over age 40 that felt like they needed to "put people in their place." It's always been that way. That particular group does nothing to further their own interests...they only seek to ensure that young people, non-white women and all people of color are under control for the elite. They're like the KGB of the financial elite; their sole purpose is to police our societal structure so that the liberal women and colored folk don't get to uppity.
The appeal of Trump to working people is aspirational. Even though he is rich, and although he insults some people, he does not generally talk down to anyone, or put on "airs." He is a blue collar person's ideal billionaire. He is not the "same-old, same-old"party line candidate that Hillary represented.
Working class white people have this strange obsession with wanting plain-talking people as their leaders. I want my president to be demonstrably more intelligent than I am...or at least sound like it. That shows a rejection of intellect and education as useful traits which is exactly why students from Africa, East Asia and South Asia are kicking our kids' butts at many schools.
This middle America anti-intellectualism crap needs to stop.
I'm just trying to figure out why Trump's sins really didn't matter to most people while Hillary's did.
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Yes, his sins are such a puzzling piece , isn't it?'It was hard for me and all my friends to accept that voters could vote for a man, that speaks at a fifth grade level with some nasty language thrown in, could get that many votes.
I am likewise baffled. Candidate suppositions:
1. Hillary was tarnished with a reputation of being incorrigibly mendacious and corrupt. Trump, for all of his faults, was regarded by many as a blank slate. He was regarded as being worthy of being given a chance, whereas Hillary was not.
2. Trump made grand promises. Hillary's promises were measly and uninspiring. "Staying the course", or words to that effect, is not an inspiring message.
3. Given the rampant mistrust of the media, reporting on what Trump said or did, could be dismissed as being a fabrication or exaggeration.
4. Somehow, substantial numbers of people think that Trump's accumulation of wealth was legitimate - that it came from cleverness and good business-sense; meanwhile, Hillary's accumulation of wealth was illegitimate - that it came from tainted and abused donations, bribes and the like.
5. To many, Trump was just an exciting candidate. His obnoxiousness may have been annoying to some, but it did little to allay the feeling of excitement. Hillary was humdrum and boring. Whenever she said anything even remotely provocative, this was a sharp change from her usual demeanor - and therefore, news. She came to be defined by a few comments.... "public vs. private image", "deplorables" and so forth. Trump, being exciting and effervescent, was never defined by his catch-phrases.... however annoying those phrases may have been.
6. Hillary's partisans could not articulate that for which she stood. What was her platform? What were her signature issues? Family-leave? Really? What transformations would she bring? Trump's partisans, meanwhile, had an easy time of it: trade, illegal immigration, tax cuts, restoration of compromised self-worth, anti-globalization. The Trump platform was an easy sell. The Hillary platform was inchoate, convoluted and a tough sell.
7. Many people yearned for a Savior. Trump could market himself as that savior. Hillary could not.
I wasn't when I saw the long lines at his rallies. People walking for 2 miles to get to hear him.
I posted that on here but people said----oh that doesn't mean anything, they just like to hear him, on election day they won't turn out. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah right.
Yes, I was surprised, but I had conditioned my thinking so I wouldn't have another Let Down. I hoped and prayed Trump would win, but was wary at what could happen, knowing our luck. But I too, was encouraged by all the massive rallies Trump had, while Hillary could barely fill a room. It was a sweet win and definitely a movement to go down in history!
I honestly figured Clinton had it locked up. Her war chest and the money she spent, the ties she has in Washington, the entire mainstream media behind her and their largely inflated poll numbers. I just didn't honestly think Trump had a chance in hell.
We had guests from England staying with us the night of the election. I had the election on but, we were all hanging out in the back yard. I would come in on occasion and check the results. As the evening progressed I couldn't believe my eyes. I explained to our guests how the Electoral College works. They were excited to watch an American election, live, while they were in America.
As others have said I was preparing myself for a Clinton victory but was very surprised (shocked is more like it) and pleased when Trump won.
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