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Old 12-07-2016, 06:29 PM
 
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Hillary keeps working Soros to get him to fund recount after recount. Will Hillary eventually get the message and depart Washington sooner than later?

https://m.facebook.com/notes/trumpia...46851542306857

When Hillary finally gives up, will she give the wasted money, or what's left, to the homeless?


Whatsamatter? You afraid of what the recount will uncover?
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Old 12-07-2016, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Hillary has already gone.
Remember that she conceded?

In case you have forgotten, she conceded early, too. Concession is concession; once a candidate concedes, have you ever known a presidential candidate to demand a recount afterward?

Nope. Because none have ever done it, and none ever will.

But any citizen's group can demand a recount, whether or not the it is against the wish of the candidate, and Jill Stein never conceded.
She wants a recount, as is her right. That some Democrats joined her cause for reasons of their own doesn't mean Hillary was behind any of it, despite all conservative conspiracy fantasies to the contrary.

Think about it; if a conspiracy exists, what's the juiciest conspiracy of all?
A small 3rd party candidate who rises to the White House through legal hanky-panky, of course. Would a leader of the Republican party ever want the Presidency that was gotten through an overturn of the electoral college? How could such a President hope to hold the office, much less lead the nation?

The same thing is exactly true with the Democratic party. Both of them have far more to lose than to gain in such deviousness. We have already seen the level of paralysis that arouse from 2 legal and uncontested elections. And the damage that came to both our major parties that caused both to suffer. The GOP did all the hurting first, and now, it's the Democrat's turn.
There's nothing new or special about this. Both parties have swapped places steadily for 100 years now, and that shows no sign of disappearing any time in the future.

Only a small 3rd party with nothing to lose would ever mount a conspiracy.
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Old 12-07-2016, 10:26 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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Exclamation If the shoe fits the left foot...

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Actually I don't live in California, nor do I follow what it is that they allow illegal immigrants to vote on. Though as a state, it is their choice on how they wish to govern it, so I see nothing wrong with letting the people living in their state vote on local things regardless of their citizenship.
It's too bad your belief here in your example of supporting "federalism" is not supported on all local issues such as school choice, ability to not be unionized, right to practice religious beliefs, and states wanting to restrict voting to only American citizens. Funny how open and free is seen as a states' right but when trying to prevent illegal voting, that somehow is not endorsed as a state's right.
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Old 12-08-2016, 12:41 AM
 
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Prove it.
Prove that they can't.
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Old 12-08-2016, 12:44 AM
 
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Sure, if a local or state government wishes to allow illegals to vote in their state and local elections, I have no issue with that because it falls under state's rights.
It goes well beyond state's rights, in that states get money from the federal government and state voters decide what to do with that money.

If you're in this country illegally, you should not have the right to vote, period.
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Old 12-08-2016, 12:48 AM
 
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It's too bad your belief here in your example of supporting "federalism" is not supported on all local issues such as school choice, ability to not be unionized, right to practice religious beliefs, and states wanting to restrict voting to only American citizens. Funny how open and free is seen as a states' right but when trying to prevent illegal voting, that somehow is not endorsed as a state's right.
Good point.

It was the Latino and black vote that killed gay marriage in California (most whites supported it.)

So gays had to go to the Supreme Court to get their rights.

But libs are still fine with Latino illegal aliens voting.

They might not always be so happy with what they vote FOR.
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Old 12-08-2016, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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The Clintons cannot go away. No one is going to pay them a gazillion dollars for a speech anymore if they aren't in a position to do a favor. Why do you think Chelsea is being pushed to run?
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Old 12-08-2016, 01:40 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Why should Hillary go away when she is the people's choice? And of course Obama's not going away and he has high approval ratings. Trump can hide behind the Electoral College for a while but that doesn't make him the voters' choice or imply a mandate. His idea of draining the swamp is to promote the scum and bottom feeders to the cabinet. He's backed away from his base already and hasn't been sworn in yet. He continues to lie and alienate people on twitter. The long knives are out on both sides of the aisle in Congress waiting for a chance to strike. He has few real friends even in the GOP. He can't trust Pence but can't fire him. He might make it through four years but he won't like it.
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Old 12-08-2016, 01:40 AM
 
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It's too bad your belief here in your example of supporting "federalism" is not supported on all local issues such as school choice, ability to not be unionized, right to practice religious beliefs, and states wanting to restrict voting to only American citizens. Funny how open and free is seen as a states' right but when trying to prevent illegal voting, that somehow is not endorsed as a state's right.
Well it all depends, preventing illegals from voting, we are all cool with, trying to restrict the vote to prevent legal citizens from voting, then that violates our rights. It is a fine line when it comes to wanting to restrict something. Restrictions and freedom aren't two words that go together.
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Old 12-08-2016, 01:49 AM
 
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Prove that they can't.
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It goes well beyond state's rights, in that states get money from the federal government and state voters decide what to do with that money.

If you're in this country illegally, you should not have the right to vote, period.
FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections : snopes.com

"While it's true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver's license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver's license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote."


It looks like you have been lied to, I have looked high and low and have found no information that says illegal immigrants have a right to vote in California.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...=201320140AB60

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...01520160AB1461

Neither of those two California bills mentions anything about illegal immigrants having a right to vote in California.

So I will ask you again, prove that illegal immigrants can vote in California....and try to use factual information to back up your claim.
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