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Actually... the polls were not that far off. Most of them had Clinton ahead by 3 to 4 percentage points in the national vote. She ended up with a 2.5% lead and that's within the margin of error. What the polls got wrong is how the vote played out in the electoral college.
The pull themselves back as election day gets close. She was up by a bunch for most of the election season.
Leaning right, even being very right does not preclude conservatives from reality. This site is prolly 60/40, maybe even 70/30, at least from 2010 on, when I joined. See the world as it is, not the way you wish it to be.
Like any forum, C-D is only a passing parade. I've been here for quite a while now, and have seen the right wing extremism come and go in many waves. Some of the waves rise and fall faster than others, and some are larger than others.
Everything only lasts for about a minute and a half on the internet anyway, and any political forum only has responses from those who are there either for the sport of it or for being diehard discontents. One side always complains about the other as a matter of course.
Even so, in comparison to some other similar forums, the level of civility here is pretty good. These days, partisanship is a given on any open forum, as is some professional trolling and some dedicated propagandists who are only dimwits, not trolls.
But overall, I think you're pretty close. I would put it at 65/35 conservative to liberal in the membership here. It was closer to 70/30 when I first joined than it is now.
Ya, the Wisconsin state elections .gov site. Go check it out.
You explained it in a very misleading way. In the areas that have been recounted, Trump's margin is about 70k higher than it was on the initial count, but that 70k difference does NOT include any numbers at all from the areas that were in the initial count, but have not been recounted yet. Clinton is down 425k, and Trump is down about 355k, however, neither one are really down that amount. Those figures just do not include the areas that have not been recounted yet. The Milwaukee absentees have not been re-counted yet, parts of Waukesha County (which is quite Republican) have not been recounted yet. Most of Madison has not been recounted yet
What we have learned from the recent Jill Stein stunt is, Obama may not have really won.... Jill has exposed how bad the election can be rigged.
Just this time, they could not overcome the title wave, Trump brought out.
Last night it was reported Hillary has lost 70,000 votes in the recount paper audit going to Trump instead(rigged machines), in Wisconsin after day 5 of the drawn out recount precinct by precinct.
Yeah, I am gonna call BS on this one. I am sure in your opinion, you think Obama might not have really one, but it isn't grounded in any factual information.
Also, where did you see that Hillary has lost 70K votes in a recount of any kind?
LOL. Take out California, one state, as you put it, and Hillary loses the national vote lead. Your logic, still broken.
Take out the illegal vote in California and Hillary loses big time.
Sure, if you take out everyone that voted for Hillary, Trump won the election by 100%....but that isn't how the popular vote works.
Also, there is zero proof of illegals voting in California for president, not is there any proof that it would have been enough of a margin for Trump to win in California.
Yeah, I am gonna call BS on this one. I am sure in your opinion, you think Obama might not have really one, but it isn't grounded in any factual information.
Also, where did you see that Hillary has lost 70K votes in a recount of any kind?
Its called funky math. Trump's margin in the areas have have been recounted so far was +93k, he was a little under 23k in the initial count. However, there are about 820k more votes to recount in the state, the +93k figure, does not included any of the votes that have not been recounted yet. Included in that is, most of Madison, and the Milwaukee absentees. From what has been recounted so far, there is nothing to indicate that this would swing more than a couple hundred votes either way barring a major difference in the votes that have yet to be recounted (which is a little under 30% of the votes).
The polls taken here are generated by the American people based on their own opinions.
The pollsters base their polling information on certain demographics, manipulating the questions or statements so they can achieve their desired PC based outcome.
Negative. The national polls were pretty close to accurate. Clinton won by over 2%. The final RCP average had Clinton winning by 3%.
Clinton did not win. For ~240 years, where the electoral college is what counts, she lost by a significant margin. Reality; it is the way it is, not the way we wish it were.
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Originally Posted by atltechdude
Negative. The national polls were pretty close to accurate. Clinton won by over 2%. The final RCP average had Clinton winning by 3%.
Actually polls typically reflect what the popular vote might be in the sense that the electoral vote often times reflects the popular vote. The only way to poll via the electoral vote is through popular votes by all 50 states.
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