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Old 12-08-2016, 03:33 PM
 
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Remember when big rallies meant nothing?



What happened?
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Old 12-08-2016, 03:47 PM
 
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Remember when big rallies meant nothing?



What happened?
That was just a lie the Clinton campaign was trying to sell because it worked for them during the Primary as the DNC went out of their way to make sure she got nominated. Sanders also was having big rallies wherever he went, and had the buzz and support of the more energetic Democrat voters, it was a major mistake for the DNC to ignore that and think that liberals would have just got in line to vote for Clinton even though that wasn't the candidate anyone was excited about.

I am all for our country having a woman president, I think we would do much better with women leading this country....but Clinton came to this election with a lot of baggage that made her a hard candidate to win no matter how much the DNC tried to make her look appealing.
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Old 12-08-2016, 04:58 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You explained it in a very misleading way. In the areas that have been recounted, Trump's margin is about 70k higher than it was on the initial count, but that 70k difference does NOT include any numbers at all from the areas that were in the initial count, but have not been recounted yet. Clinton is down 425k, and Trump is down about 355k, however, neither one are really down that amount. Those figures just do not include the areas that have not been recounted yet. The Milwaukee absentees have not been re-counted yet, parts of Waukesha County (which is quite Republican) have not been recounted yet. Most of Madison has not been recounted yet

There should not be any discrepancy, if the machine were not rigged.

The paper audit proved the Hillarybots, tried, but did not overcome the overwhelming Trump support.

Meanwhile in Pennsylvania, Clinton has only gained five votes after the state’s two largest counties completed their recount.
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Nope.

No poll asked who would win the popular vote.
Every single national poll is a pop vote poll...
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Old 12-09-2016, 01:33 PM
 
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Every single national poll is a pop vote poll...
Nope. They ask who would you vote for today.

Here in NC, polls had Hillary up 9%. She lost by 4%. 13% difference.

As far as national polls go, the LA Times Daily Tracking poll had Trump winning for a very long time.
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Nope. They ask who would you vote for today.

Here in NC, polls had Hillary up 9%. She lost by 4%. 13% difference.

As far as national polls go, the LA Times Daily Tracking poll had Trump winning for a very long time.
Yes and those were popular vote polls, not electoral vote polls..
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Old 12-09-2016, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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Nope. They ask who would you vote for today.

Here in NC, polls had Hillary up 9%. She lost by 4%. 13% difference.

As far as national polls go, the LA Times Daily Tracking poll had Trump winning for a very long time.
Stop inventing fake numbers. NC was a dead heat in the week after Comeygate. 1.6% for Clinton, well within the margin of error for polls.

2016 North Carolina President: Trump vs. Clinton - Polls - HuffPost Pollster

So a 5.6% difference, which is about the way all the other swing states performed.

As far as national polls, those were pretty accurate. Clinton was ahead by 2 points.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

And she won nationally by 2 points. Doesn't matter of course since the electoral college picks the winner, not the popular vote. The LA Times poll that had Trump +7 the whole time was just as wrong as the NBC poll that had Clinton +12 the whole time. Marist ended up being the most accurate. LA Times and IBD overestimated Trump support, and all the other polls overestimated Clinton support.
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Old 12-09-2016, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Nope.

No poll asked who would win the popular vote.
Negative.

The popular vote is exactly what national polls measure. Were you not aware of that?
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Old 12-12-2016, 07:18 AM
 
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Yes and those were popular vote polls, not electoral vote polls..

LOL! An internal State poll? The popular vote within an individual state? It is not an electorial vote county by county. Or Trump would have won by a much greater margin, than if it were just States deciding the President to govern them.
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Old 12-12-2016, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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LOL! An internal State poll? The popular vote within an individual state? It is not an electorial vote county by county. Or Trump would have won by a much greater margin, than if it were just States deciding the President to govern them.
Please re-read my post because that response has nothing to do with my point.

Fact of the matter is the national polling was generally decent and pretty close, the state polling wasn't.
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