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Old 04-02-2017, 05:14 PM
 
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I agree with Bernie with every thing he said in that article except the part about Elizabeth Warren. She is a hypocritical Lefty Loon that is so out of touch with the mainstream it is shocking that so many people don't see her for what she is.
I completely agree with you here.
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Old 04-03-2017, 04:25 AM
 
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the problem sanders had was that the super delegates were in clintons pocket even before the primary campaign started, thus he was down some 400 delegates to begin with. add to that clinton having the big edge in caucus states, and bernie just had no chance. the fix was in for clinton.

as for trump and sanders getting together, not a bad idea. it might have helped trump to get democrats on his side in congress, depending on where trump used sanders.
I agree with you that super delegates were a big problem for Sanders, but actually, it was in caucus states that he had his strongest showings. I think super delegates from both parties should be required to support the candidate chosen by their constituencies, but I guess that sort of goes against the entire reason for their existence. In this case, it backfired. The super delegates made a "safe" choice by going with Clinton. A mistake, really, for I believe that Sanders could have beaten Trump.

As for Sanders allying himself with Trump, I can't really see it. They said similar things about trade deals and Wall Street, but that's about it. And frankly, Trump's cabinet posts so far make me really question his sincerity about the Wall Street part. In the end, I think he threw his support behind Clinton because he believed her to be the less potentially damaging of the two.
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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Problem with Bernie is that he is just another puppet for the glottalization elite who want to ruin our country.
If he was elected, we would see a flood of more illegal immigration and more free befits for them.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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I agree with you that super delegates were a big problem for Sanders, but actually, it was in caucus states that he had his strongest showings. I think super delegates from both parties should be required to support the candidate chosen by their constituencies, but I guess that sort of goes against the entire reason for their existence. In this case, it backfired. The super delegates made a "safe" choice by going with Clinton. A mistake, really, for I believe that Sanders could have beaten Trump.

As for Sanders allying himself with Trump, I can't really see it. They said similar things about trade deals and Wall Street, but that's about it. And frankly, Trump's cabinet posts so far make me really question his sincerity about the Wall Street part. In the end, I think he threw his support behind Clinton because he believed her to be the less potentially damaging of the two.
So Bernie threw his support behind a candidate funded by big money and you believe they are for the American people. Ok then <sarcasm> lol

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Old 04-03-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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So Bernie threw his support behind a candidate funded by big money and you believe she is for the American people. Ok then <sarcasm> lol
I did not say that. I said I *think* he considered her the lesser of two evils.
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Old 04-03-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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I did not say that. I said I *think* he considered her the lesser of two evils.
So Hillary (with big money behind her) vs "Trump, who big money hates"... and you think Hillary is the lesser of the two evils? Ok then lol I'll spell it out for you. I thought you Bernie supporters were against big money?

After Hillary and Bernie's private meeting, Bernie dropped out, he then came out in support of Hillary who is supported by big money. Bernie, calling himself a revolutionary, Bernie told you to support Hillary, the big money oligarch's candidate of choice, and without thinking or questioning the obvious, you did as you were told.

Man, you got to look past the words and look at the actions. You got to look past the man and look at his actions. If you don't, you're just a follower doing what you are told.

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Old 04-03-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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I agree with you that super delegates were a big problem for Sanders, but actually, it was in caucus states that he had his strongest showings. I think super delegates from both parties should be required to support the candidate chosen by their constituencies, but I guess that sort of goes against the entire reason for their existence. In this case, it backfired. The super delegates made a "safe" choice by going with Clinton. A mistake, really, for I believe that Sanders could have beaten Trump.

As for Sanders allying himself with Trump, I can't really see it. They said similar things about trade deals and Wall Street, but that's about it. And frankly, Trump's cabinet posts so far make me really question his sincerity about the Wall Street part. In the end, I think he threw his support behind Clinton because he believed her to be the less potentially damaging of the two.
as i recall the republicans dont have super delegates.

as for trump, i never heard him say anything negative about big money wall street. i think it was the media suggesting that since he was basically financing his own campaign, and not seeking money from large donors, he wasnt indebted to wall street.
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Old 04-03-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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as i recall the republicans dont have super delegates.

as for trump, i never heard him say anything negative about big money wall street. i think it was the media suggesting that since he was basically financing his own campaign, and not seeking money from large donors, he wasnt indebted to wall street.
Yep, it's amazing that people won't think. Rich people view their contributions as investments. They contribute (invest) into the coffers of the candidate they believe will put forth policies they will benefit from.

Bernie or Trump didn't except big money. Every day Americans contributed to their campaigns because they believed these candidates would put forth policies that would benefit them yep, people contributed with the same mindset as big money.

Hillary took from big money, you're pittance of a contribution meant nothing and of course she would have done everything to please big money so they'll contribute the next election cycle?
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Old 04-03-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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Yep, it's amazing that people won't think. Rich people view their contributions as investments. They contribute (invest) into the coffers of the candidate they believe will put forth policies they will benefit from.

Bernie or Trump didn't except big money. Every day Americans contributed to their campaigns because they believed these candidates would put forth policies that would benefit them yep, people contributed with the same mindset as big money.

Hillary took from big money, you're pittance of a contribution meant nothing and of course she would have done everything to please big money so they'll contribute the next election cycle?
^^^ such a simple common sense concept that it's a head scratcher that people don't understand.
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Old 04-03-2017, 03:18 PM
 
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So Hillary (with big money behind her) vs "Trump, who big money hates"... and you think Hillary is the lesser of the two evils? Ok then lol I'll spell it out for you. I thought you Bernie supporters were against big money?

After Hillary and Bernie's private meeting, Bernie dropped out, he then came out in support of Hillary who is supported by big money. Bernie, calling himself a revolutionary, Bernie told you to support Hillary, the big money oligarch's candidate of choice, and without thinking or questioning the obvious, you did as you were told.

Man, you got to look past the words and look at the actions. You got to look past the man and look at his actions. If you don't, you're just a follower doing what you are told.
You need to re-read what I wrote.
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