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Old 04-11-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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That "evidence" is fallacious at best. First of all, his approval rating is based on a national poll. Aside from polls being miserably inaccurate (obviously), his supporters are very happy with him. These supporters are those that could be a firewall against Democratic angst. Republicans vote in midterms....Democrats do not.

Second, there is zero evidence of "Russia collusion" with Donald Trump. None. If there were, it would have already leaked out. Democrats have already exhausted their ammunition by leaking what they do know, and none of it implicates Donald Trump colluding with Vladimir Putin.

Third, the blame for Obamacare repeal and replace falls squarely on the shoulders of Paul Ryan. Trump has not suffered from that Ryan-induced debacle. In fact, most Republicans I know are happy that we dodged a bullet with that sh*t show. In any case, Republicans know that not turning out the vote will result in Obamacare never being repealed and replaced. That's their incentive to vote. Republicans vote in midterms...Democrats do not.

Fourth, Kansas speaks for itself. Close? Who knows. If polls are accurate, then maybe. The GA race, however, requires a runoff unless a candidate tops 50 percent. Just because Ossoff is popular with Democrats does not mean he will pick off the Republican candidate in Newt Gingrich's district.

The Hill piece is puff piece to get Democrats energized. There is no evidence that any such change in majority is on the horizon.


I would certainly agree that the Kansas district will be very tough for the Democrats, this is primarily a blue collar rural district that Trump won by 30.

The Georgia one however, I think is certainly up for grabs. The district is a well educated white collar suburban district that swung HARD against Trump.

 
Old 04-11-2017, 01:30 PM
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No. The combination of incumbency, jerrymandering, and growing political polarization has created numerous districts that haven't changed parties in decades.
Until it changes parties...................... which is my point.

Every couple of years, we get a district that completely flips from one side to the other.

Again, I dont think Dems are going to win this race, or the one in Georgia, the last Democrat lost by 30 points.
 
Old 04-11-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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Until it changes parties...................... which is my point.

Every couple of years, we get a district that completely flips from one side to the other.
That is true, but it is very rarely districts that are going to one side or the other by 30 points on the Presidential level.
 
Old 04-11-2017, 01:56 PM
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That is true, but it is very rarely districts that are going to one side or the other by 30 points on the Presidential level.
2 of the other Kansas districts did just that. 1 went from 30 points in favor of the Democrat in 2008 to 30 points in favor of the Republican in 2016
 
Old 04-11-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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2 of the other Kansas districts did just that. 1 went from 30 points in favor of the Democrat in 2008 to 30 points in favor of the Republican in 2016
On the Presidential level? Which diatrict was that?. I see the 3rd district, but the move wasn't that large, was on the Congressional level and heavily influenced by re-districting.
 
Old 04-11-2017, 02:17 PM
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On the Presidential level? Which diatrict was that?. I see the 3rd district, but the move wasn't that large, was on the Congressional level and heavily influenced by re-districting.
Since we are talking about congressional races, i assumed you meant Presidential years, not the actual Presidential race.

and yes, there was some redistricting as the city of Lawrence was removed from the 3rd district, but that didnt take affect until 2012


in 2008, the Dem won it 56-39, in 2010, the Dem lost in 58-38
 
Old 04-11-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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Since we are talking about congressional races, i assumed you meant Presidential years, not the actual Presidential race.

and yes, there was some redistricting as the city of Lawrence was removed from the 3rd district, but that didnt take affect until 2012


in 2008, the Dem won it 56-39, in 2010, the Dem lost in 58-38

I was referring to the Presidential race results at the Congressional level.

While uncommon it isn't that unheard of for swings like that on the Congressional level. What is very unusual is for a Congressional seat to be won by a party in which the other party won by 30 points on the Presidential level. A district that far to one party or the other is exceptionally hard to pick off. As much as I would love to see it, a mostly rural Trump +30 district would be very unlikely to pick off. KS-3 would be the Kansas district the Dems could pick off if the situation arose.
 
Old 04-11-2017, 08:32 PM
 
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It's close but looks like Estes will squeak in.

Ron Estes Republican 50,066 52.3%
James Thompson Democrat 44,006 46.0
Chris Rockhold Libertarian 1,655 1.7

83% reporting (513 of 620 precincts)

Live Results: G.O.P. Looks to Defend House Seat in Kansas Special Election

http://www.kansascity.com/
 
Old 04-11-2017, 09:13 PM
 
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Its at 99% with Estes ahead 53.3% to Thompson's 45%. So much for that...

Live Results: G.O.P. Keeps Control of House Seat in Kansas Special Election
 
Old 04-11-2017, 09:22 PM
 
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Its at 99% with Estes ahead 53.3% to Thompson's 45%. So much for that...

Live Results: G.O.P. Keeps Control of House Seat in Kansas Special Election

GA-6 will be the one to watch. A Trump +30 district in rural Kansas was always an extreme longshot
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